a good bye raffle

[Headhunter 13]

A while ago I said that if I found it I would raflle off my Blackwater shot glass. Well as a good bye to the forum gesture unless I am locked out. A drawing for this will be held on HALLOWEEN. Copied below is the goodbye and rason that I poasted in another thread. Be well all and if I am allowed to remain until Halloween I hope you win the shot glass

My resignation

Dear friends based on the above statements by the owner of this site I am here to say good bye. I joined this site because of the censorship and over all right wing anti liberal attitude at other sites. I was under the belief that this Forum supported the 1st as well as the 2nd amendment. I have no problem with any one backing or voting for whom ever they wish. I am not a big supporter of hillary or Bill Clinton but he did a better job of helping this country grow than both the Bush's put together and then some. And this new censorship even goes onto the GOP with some exceptions.

I feel that this attitude belittle the forum and it's members. I will miss all of the members here including those I disagree with politically and religously. This was for a time a forum worth belonging to and worth referring friends to. Unfortunately I no longer feel that way.

In want to thank all here who have been friends, who challeged me to think an dopen my mind, those who were gracious and fair in our disagreements, and all those who helped with my questions and all that made me fell welcome and accepted.

Again thank you for your friendship and warmth.

[capnswervon]

Wayne,
I have to say that this took me by suprise. I guess I haven't been paying attention to what is going on over here. Well, I have to say that if indeed you do leave the forum that we will be losing an all around good guy. The difference of opinions makes the world go around, without differences people would just be downright boring. Well, Wayne, sad to see you go!

The Capn'

Oh, and I'm in on that Blackwater shotglass raffle.

[Headhunter 13]

I am not leaving because of differences in opinions (I live for them) but because in the Legislation area in the thread "this can't be good" Dash laid down a though shal not rule that limits free speech and even though I do not support Hillary I will defend anyone's right to support her

[Sinatra877]

Again, I agree that we disagree. It is a pro-gun website so I'm sorry that you feel that way Doc. It is his site, it is very liberal in comparison to any forum I've ever seen and he has given us a large leeway in what we can write about. Every group, community, society or forum must have it's rules or it would be anarchy. The open support of the "C" name is just a no-no. I can live with that but I see you can't.

[Headhunter 13]

It is not the C word it is the censorship. I put up with the and agreed to the up front rules and I have no problem with any one calling the C people anything they want but even though I do not support them no one tell anyone to support or not support. That is what makes a society and country great it ability to allow and work with disent. That is one thing rapidly disappearing along with our freedoms

So Sinatra are you in on the raffle?

[Sinatra877]

So do you think I should've resigned when he asked me not to post "beaver" shots? Same thing isn't it? Censorship? I like beaver, you like beaver, the owner likes beaver but John Ashcroft disapproves of beaver in sites. We all have to deal with some restrictions but I see you need more room to grow. Sorry you feel that way Wayne. I do admit that I have always enjoyed debating with you. You have been a formidable opponent. God Speed...in your own way of course.

Regarding the shot glass...nah. I got a boxfull of BW memories, including pieces of dried up, crusty shrapnel they took out of my leg. I got about 12 of those shotglasses...I have the special edition though...they read in small print with the logo "Blackwater...one shot will do ya'." plus I have an alumnus membership card as a current/former employee.

[Headhunter 13]

No Sinatra it is not the same thing at all. The Beaver shots could have caused problems legally or financially for David and while I was pro beaver I did not want him to get any hassle for the good parts.

I am not even upset that it is now a No Clinton site. I am a disappointed because it took a piece out of the 1st Amendment here that we all enjoy and are willing to support as strongly as the 2nd

Remember the first rule of Zen according to Wayne

I am as perfect as I can be at that moment, therefore I am perfect even in my faults

[Toecutter1201]

My first post in quite a while and it'll start with:

Well that fucking sucks! , do what you feel you gotta do bro! kinda wish you would stay since i really enjoyed reading thoughts and opinion's from someone with an equally ACTIVE "thirst for the truth" style of thinking!

Holy shit, the toecutter actually sounded intelligent for a quick second or two!:limp:

hate to see you go, Shottie On!

p.s. just to piss sinatra off "i'm in" for the shotglass raffle!:kickrock: LOL

[TcRoc]

I'm in your raffle bro,sorry to see your leaving us,I don't quite understand what happened I guess I have another thread to read,

[Dash Riprock]

From the main page...


Members of the United Nations or supporters of gun control that prohibits law abiding American citizens from legally purchasing, owning and carrying any type of firearm to protect themselves, their family, homes and country are prohibited from passing this page. This IS a United Nations, Anti-America and communist FREE zone!

This has been on the main page since day one. So there's no hidden rules or agenda I'm suddenly throwing in here and this is not a single attack on the Clintons. The same goes any gun grabber. It makes NO sense to support anti-gunners on a pro-gun forum.

You're taking this a bit far and as a persoanl attack. It wasn't directed at you specifically, but anyone supporting gun control and supporting a well known anti-gunner is no different than supporting it yourself.

It's unfortunate you've chosen to not only accuse me of violating your 1st amendment rights, but leave as a member of this site as well. I've never deleted, locked or edited anything you or anyone else had to say. I simply politely asked for the Clinton/anti-gunner support to end here.

[Sinatra877]

Ah...Fuck! Now I'm gonna have to leave! I'm a communist. See ya!

[Sinatra877]

Kidding. Fuck the commie, pinko, anti-gun, liberal, bullshit Undeserving Nations of the third and second world, anti-American, ACLU card carrying leftist motherfuckers. Could I make that any clearer?

And this was not directed at anyone in particular. It is my own opinion...but if you are one of these and are associated with these groups. Don't let the cyberdoor hit ya' on the ass on your way out.

[Headhunter 13]

From the main page...



This has been on the main page since day one. So there's no hidden rules or agenda I'm suddenly throwing in here and this is not a single attack on the Clintons. The same goes any gun grabber. It makes NO sense to support anti-gunners on a pro-gun forum.

You're taking this a bit far and as a persoanl attack. It wasn't directed at you specifically, but anyone supporting gun control and supporting a well known anti-gunner is no different than supporting it yourself.

It's unfortunate you've chosen to not only accuse me of violating your 1st amendment rights, but leave as a member of this site as well. I've never deleted, locked or edited anything you or anyone else had to say. I simply politely asked for the Clinton/anti-gunner support to end here.

David, I am not taking it as a personal attack and I firmly support you in doing as you want this is your site. But I see no reason to prohibit someone from being here or even stating they support Hillary as the least of all evils. I have seen no candidate at all come out as pro gun except in the view of hunting so to me they all have the potential to be a gun grabber. They all vote and legislate the money. Even Fred Thompson if you look at his history. Running for Pres he is pro Life anti abortion. As a lobbyist he was pro choice pro abortion.

This not an attack on your choice of candidates. It is a defense of everyone having a choice and an opinion. As mentioned before Rick Santorum here in PA a gun friendly sate only ever came out for pro gun in hunting talks. Even agreeing with his 2nd amendment views I couldn't support or vote for him because in every other area he is an idiot but I support his right to run and be supported.

That is why I am doing this because a freedom of choice and conscience was abridged.

David, thank you for the chance to be a member here and the oppotunity to state and excerise my choice voice and choice. I do not leave here happily or with any joy. Nor do I leave condemning anyone or any opinions. I have made many friends and learned a lot about guns and life interacting with all the good people here and that is what all the members are. Especially watching TC get mildly civilized and inquisitive and JK finally getting rid of the riot gear.

As one member PMed recently to me Peace brother. Be safe and fight for all the freedoms


PS BTW Dash you in the raffle or not?

[Vader]

is this right? someone on a firearm forum actually favors hillary for president and is getting pissy because they were asked not to? oh the drama. kind of a no brainer if you ask me

[Headhunter 13]

is this right? someone on a firearm forum actually favors hillary for president and is getting pissy because they were asked not to? oh the drama. kind of a no brainer if you ask me

Go read the whole issue and stop being clueless. Commenting without knowing what is happening is useless, ignorant and childishly arrogant. This is the type of nonsense that breeds intolerance. it was also pointed out that the so called good ole boy GOPers are not much better and the issue was not Hillary but censorship similar to the Beretta forum. If you syupport the 2nd amendment you should also support the 1st. They go hand in hand

[TcRoc]

Vader, I do not believe he is saying he favors Hilary at all ,He is taking a stance on his belief in 1st Amendmant Rights,nothing more nothing less.

[Headhunter 13]

Right you are Matt. Thanks

[KPierce]

While I don't drink as much as I used to. I do enjoy a good shot now and then. Count me in and thanks for the chance.

[jkroner659]

I'm not in on the raffle since I don't support your decision to leave:p

I will have to read some threads it seems, I was busy all day and just got here now.
I am not the owner nor have I given any money to the forum, so what I say doesn't mean jack. I hope you and dash can work this thing out...

[Headhunter 13]

After reading and posting a quick response to Sinatra's last rant and Vader uninformed comments last nights. Sinatra is starting to remind me of Russel E. Taylor the guy on the Beretta forum that was banned and a big factor in the censorship over there. I have decided to move up the Raffle.

And the Winner Dash. David email me your address and I will ship it out post haste.

To everyone else thanks and some I will be seeing on other forums or in person.

[Dash Riprock]

Out of all fairness I think it would be best to give it to one of the guys that actually entered. While I appreciate the offer I exclude myself from these things so the members can have fun with it.

The guys that showed interest are:

capnswervon
Toecutter1201
TcRoc
KPierce
Blackjack

[Sinatra877]

Sorry if you think so Wayne. Everyones got their opinion and my opinion differs from yours. Freedom of Speech right? You wanted to leave, no one twisted your arm nor encouraged you to do so.

BTW: You sure take a helluva long time to say goodbye. What's keeping you? Sorry that was the mercenary Hitler speaking. In other words, don't be condescending and making this all personal because I can play at that game too and I'd rather not. I'm a Republican, I'm a gun owner, I'm a staunch supporter of gun rights, I support our government, I voted for W and this is my 4th war and I'm willing to do it again and again. I'm sorry you cannot come to terms with those facts and just accept me in the "Zen" way that you defined. I agree that we disagree. Let's just part ways for now...sorry it wasn't amicable. I have differing views and you have differing views. That's where the chips lay...democracy in action.

[Headhunter 13]

Out of all fairness I think it would be best to give it to one of the guys that actually entered. While I appreciate the offer I exclude myself from these things so the members can have fun with it.

The guys that showed interest are:

capnswervon
Toecutter1201
TcRoc
KPierce
Blackjack

I understand Dash. I didn't know you had excluded yourself so I had your name in the pot.

And the new winner is

Kpierce

Sinatra, yes it is about free spee ch and my choice. And opinions do differ but I feel that an opinion should be based on reality and not party line or a desire to be a mercenary because the people that you want to work for turned their backs on you. In all your talk of the war on terror the focus was you and not the US or the enemy. You views of wiping out Iraq and Afganistan I find repulsive. neither Iraq or Afganistan are or were direct threats to the US or it's citizens. Islamic Fundamentalist are and their leader Bin Laden is still out there probably holed up in our friendly Pakistan.

As for your statement in the other thread yes everyone was pro American and patriotic on 9/11 and when W got doning redaing a childrens books and his handlers told him what to do so was he. But I was against Bush that day for his initial complacency and from then on as well. Remember what he said in his debate against Kerry. Bin Laden does not worry or concern me (paraphrased). Also the terrorist that flew the planes were Saudis primarily not Iraqi. But we can't go after the real people we needed a scapegoat. Because that top 1% of the world population need more

Even if Clinton's good was a trickle down to us then from Reagan. What will trickle down to our children, grendchildren and so on form the Bush legacy? A tremendous debt, continual war, a country hated asnd eventually spurned in the world, a country that will no longer be the land of the free.

Sorry for the rant.

[Sinatra877]

Complacency? Uh...the original bombing happened in '93. That's our legacy now. Rant all you want. Again, I agree to disagree. Our opinions differ.

Even though the world may hate us...they won't fuck with us either. At least not overtly. I think that could be considered peace through superior firepower.