long range setup???help???

[sleepyweasel]

what kind of set-up would a person need for taking medium game(deer) at 800-900 yards(1/2 mile)...... could it be done with a rem 700 in 308, 300win-mag, of 338 lupa mag(not sure if 700 is availiable in 338 lupa mag???)...open to suggestions, just not going with a 50 BMG.....

also trying to stay under $2k

[CBnL]

40mm grenade launcher...

go read through http://www.nennstiel-ruprecht.de/bullfly/index.htm#Figures
(magnus moment... nice and interesting)

Here is my HS Precision with Swarovski scope which is $4,000 worth of equipment ($2K gun & $2K scope) and it is guaranteed to shoot 1/2 MOA and I'm thrilled to death that I can obtain between 3/4 & 1 MOA with it.
There are SOOOO many things that come into play when you are shooting that far. I reload all my own .308's I shoot out of that... hand measure each powder drop, etc... I TRY to get my bullets to 2650 fps with a 50 fps spread and an average deviation of less than 10 and a standard deviation of less than 10. Something as simple as a 100 fps spread with avg & std deviation of 20+ can throw your accuracy over 1 MOA so at 800 yards, that is basically 8+ inches... (that's perfect conditions... no wind)
HS Precision has some of the best guns... all stainless steel... then black teflon coated. They make all their components. Well worth the money which really isn't that much considering it is a gun that will be around for a few hundred years.
http://members.cox.net/decook/HS_Precision_STR.jpg
http://members.cox.net/decook/HS_Precision_200_yards_05192007.jpg

[KPierce]

To be honest I will be looking to do this myself in about 4-6 mos.

I would feel comfortable in saying a .308 could do it. But there are a few things you need to realize. Optics is going to be one of the most important parts. Another important part will be very scrutinized and tracked handloads. You'll need to make a loading journal where you can record exact specifics as follows:

Weight of the points used in each bullet for a group of rounds. Maybe 10 - 20 total.
Exact type of powder used for group load.
Exact amount of powder loaded for the group.
Exact type of primer used in the rounds for each group.

Then in the same page you need to record ambient temp and general wind conditions when you shot the group as well as relative humidity.
Also you need to record point of impact vs point of aim for each round fired.
Also you need to record the settings for the scope when you fire for the group.

By keeping a journal and doing very precise handloads you should be able to dial into the sweetspot of your gun for the range you want to shoot at.

once you know what the optimal round configuration is for the range you want it to shoot to, then you're golden for that distance. Keep a journal long enough and you'll be able to load rounds that will shoot dead on for various ranges.

Then it just becomes a matter of having the right rounds available when you go shooting.

Hope this helps you out. At least this is the path I will be following when I have completed my sniper rifle build.

[Headhunter 13]

Get Cap'tswervon to post is new rifle pics!

[Sinatra877]

Of course you must take into account that sniper weapons are almost twice as heavy as a hunting rifle. I'd hate to hump a BA sniper weapon around. Consistency is the key and I'd recommend a .308 or .30-06. The data is out there already and they're much cheaper to shoot and the weapons for hunting is built specifically for that purpose.

[sleepyweasel]

just to clarify, i'm not looking for the set-up, just helping out a friend.

what do you guys think of rem 700????

looks like 308 is about the best option in his price range(338 lapua mag rifles are expensive), anyone have experience with 7mm RUM....140gr bullet at 3425fps.:cool2:

[Sinatra877]

.308/7.62 is by far the cheapest round you could do long range with.

[capnswervon]

Ok,
I just brought this home last night, and only took one picture of it, I will get some better detail shots tonight. But here it is.....Remington 700 PSS in .308 with Knoxx Axiom V/S stock 10X Super Sniper scope and lots of other cool bits. I should get a chance to shoot it for the first time this Friday afternoon. Here it is hanging with it's lil' buddy.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z17/capnswervon/Weapons/DSC01675.jpg


The Capn'

[sleepyweasel]

nice rifle capn..........that is a wild stock on it.....if you don't mind, how much and where did you get that scope.

i was actually looking at the "tactical" 700's(is that the same as a PSS?)

thanks for the help guys.

[capnswervon]

Sleepy,
The scope was on the rifle when I purchased it....actually I only purchased it on Tuesday night...exactly the way that you see it. From what I have been reading, the PSS is no longer made, but clse variations such as the Tactical are now in production. It appears that the PSS had it's action fully bedded in aluminum in a Kevlar reinforced HS stock. I have the original stock as well, and it is beautiful. I want to try the setup the way it is, and possibly put the original back on if I feel that the "coolness" factor is hindering the performance. I mean, I am a bigger guy, I don't think a .308 is going to make me wince.
The scope can be found online with the rear parallex adjustments for $299. I will let you know what I think of it once I get it up to the range tomorrow...hopefully!

The Capn'

[Sinatra877]

Nice lookin' weapons. Sharp set up.

[LongCarbine]

Hello sleapWeasel. I have a 7mm Rem Ultra Mag, I primarily use mine for about 750 to 800 meters on mountain goats but any further is hoping for a lot. Now the guys I know that shoot 900 to 1100 meters for practice long range shoots, they use 170 grain 7mm Rem Ultra Mag for that down rang energy and I use the same round. Some of my friend who use to be with the S.A.S. rifle team. they use 338 Lapua 170 to 220 grain for that 1100+ meter down range energy. The 7mm Rem Ultra Mag 140 grain 3400+ fps is not what I'd recommend for that DEAD NUT SHOT. If you reload you could same some money there, and I realy don't see that off the shelf ammo can do what your asking for, Unless you buy 50BMG,416 Barret, and 20mm to get that Dead Nut Shot.

[LongCarbine]

Sleapweasel, If you're willing to compromise on your shot distance to 500-700 meter due to budget, I'd recommend sticking with a 30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag, But here's another thought how about a Mosin Nagant 7.62x54 ballisticly very comparable to a 30-06 and very inexpensive rifle and ammo. I own a few of these rifles and without a scope I'm dead nut at about 350 meters but with a good SWFA scope I can get 1"-2" groups at 700 meters. But if you plan on reloading due to the cost of ammo and to get the ammo out at the distance you want, I'd still would recommend the 30-06 at 170-190 grain bullets or the 7mm Rem Mag using 165-200 grain bullets.

[billt]

what kind of set-up would a person need for taking medium game(deer) at 800-900 yards(1/2 mile). also trying to stay under $2k

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I just got finished setting up these 2 Savages a few weeks ago. I'd had the rifles for some time, but my optics money wound up getting spent on a couple of nice AK-47's just a week before the election, so these 2 got pushed back a bit. One is a Savage Model 12-F/TR, and the other is a Model 10-FP, both are in .308. The scopes are identical Bushnell 3200 Elite 5-15X Tactical Models. Either of these rifles would make an acceptable long range deer rig, as long as you didn't have to carry them too far. In extreme long range shooting knowing drop tables, and having ability to correctly dope the wind is very important. As is a lot of practice. Thus far both of these rifles have been good performers in the short amount of time I've had to work up loads for them. I hope to get out to the range more before it starts getting too hot here. Shooting in the Summer months in Arizona is all but impossible because of the high heat. Mirage becomes so bad it is difficult to maintain a good sight picture, or cool your barrel. Bill T.