Well, this can't be good!

[Dash Riprock]

Arnold Schwarzenagger signed the 2 anti-gun bills making it illegal for law abidding tax payer from buying guns that do not produce the microstamping.

I'm sure the bloods, crips and MS13 are saving up for this new technology.

Also, lead ammo will be outlawed there... I guess they'll start using the teflon cop killers again, huh?

Yet 2 more reasons to stay the fuck as far away from Kalifonistan as humanly possible.

[Sinatra877]

Yep. I agree. The Peoples Republic of California strikes again. Bottom line is that all the bad guys will just get the stuff either way. On the other hand, they do have a major international shipping port and I'm sure weapons are being shipped there illegally on a daily basis. I'm sure that all they want to do is to control the flow of these assault systems that are coming in there. It's too bad the regular public will now have to submit to these archaic gun laws.

[jkroner659]

Was talking to my bro(leo) in CA and he apparently di not hear about it yet. He said it will most likely be ruled unconstitutional by the courts. He also said CA try's to pass all kinds of crazy laws but most of them are thrown out by the courts. I guess we will have to wait and see?

[Sinatra877]

One of the recent bills that's going up for vote is that all firearms by 2010 or so must be a firearm that can stamp the weapons serial number on the brass casing before it is fired. Who the fuck has that engineering technology?

It will definitely be played on the legal articulation of the second amendment. From what CA's doing is simple...they are not denying the people a firearm but put unreasonable manufacturing criteria on firearms makers so that they would be illegal to sell in California. Therefore, it's not denying a citizen from purchasing one, it will just delay it. I don't know if a California resident can go to a shared border state and get a handgun. I know one can't sell a handgun to a non resident of Florida. Only a rifle can be sold to a resident and shared border state resident. Of course this does not mean that one cannot be transferreed to an out of state FFL licensed dealer.

When I was in NJ. A guy had to register every firearm they had. They also had to have a "Firearms ID Card" and special slips from the town office to even shop for a handgun yet alone handle one. Of course the NJ legislatures let the towns charge folks for the ID card and the buying slips. It is a BS tax and it can delay someone from aquiring a firearm by months.

This NJ example is just another way of "delaying" a law abiding person from obtaining a firearm in reasonable time. But it doesn't deny a law abiding firearm owner from owning one. Either way I believe legislation like this is a gross infringement upon the people. I think the lawyers who let these technicalities slip was dropped on their head as a baby.

[Vader]

yeah the good old we're not telling you you can't have it just making it impossible to obtain trick. I'd love to crack that steroid freak in his big rectangle teeth for that dumb shit

[Sinatra877]

Yep. Of course this is an agenda of most of the Democratic candidates. They have a strong history of passing anti-gun legislation since they come from mostly north-east states. Especially Hillary Clinton. Besides, every candidate has an axe to grind with her. She has too many skeletons and all those skeletons will all pour out inconveniently at just the right time to derail her bid.

Why anyone would come onto a pro-gun website and declare that they would vote for her, especially when she is know for anti-gun legislation...they wonder why we won't accept them with open arms and loving smiles.

[Headhunter 13]

I'm pretty positive Arnie is a Republican not a Democrat and he signed it, no one else yet. So maybe we need to update the same old song. Guliani is GOP, Romney GOP getting the idea. this is not as people portray it a DEM vs GOP thing. Here is PA santorum who lost because he was an idiot tried to act like he was Pro Gun but he only ever mentioned hunting rights to own

[Dash Riprock]

He is a republican, but not an American. Not to mention the piece of shit is tied in with those fucking Kennedys and that's likely why he signed that garbage.

Giuliani is anti-gun, Romney not quit as much. With Romney our 2nd amend. stands a better chance of survival and definitely stands a better chance than it would with that damned Hilary in office.

I'm not much of one to try and tell anyone who to support or who to vote for, but I will say this is not the place for Clinton support. Either of them. This is a pro-gun site, but above that it is a pro-America site. Putting an Anti-American criminal on a pedestal goes againt everything we want to do here.

This is not a Democrat free site, but it is a Clinton free site as well as any other gun grabber.

Gun control isn't the only issues to consider, but it is an important issue. The Clintons have no issues, no policies or agendas that doesn't rape our rights and pad their fucking pockets and nothing good can be said about those pieces of shit that's not a total lie.

I hate to sound like a dick, I really do. I don't like a lot of arguing and hard feelings. So, if you must support them for whatever reasons you could possibly have to do so Please don't do it here.

On that same note there will likely not be any praise for Giuliani or several other republicans here either.

[Sinatra877]

Thompson or Paul for me thanks. I could't afford to be anti-gun. They're worth is more valuable than my condo and it is a primary tool that I use in my work...morbid as it may be but's it is still a tool nevertheless. I hunt people. Does that count?

I figured it out a few years ago when I was reading about how the NRA was fighting anything regarding firearms legislation that seemed to me "common sense". I have come to the theory that they fight every fight because even if they lose one small thing, it would hamper everything. I guess this is why they fight their fights in a fanatical way. Given that theory, I can't say that I blame them now.

I was just doing a retrospective look at John Kerry's bid...remember when he tried to pass himself off as a "sportsman" but everyone pretty much knew he was full of shit? I was also wondering how could a guy fuck up so bad in front of his own troops-swiftboat members 35 years previously in Vietnam that the troops would come out of the woodwork risking all sorts of scrutiny just to derail his bid for the Presidency.

It wasn't so much what they opposed it but the mere gesture of opposing at all says a helluva lot. Would any of you want to put yourself and your family through scrutiny after 35 years of silence? That gesture says alot for itself.

[Headhunter 13]

He is a republican, but not an American. Not to mention the piece of shit is tied in with those fucking Kennedys and that's likely why he signed that garbage.

Giuliani is anti-gun, Romney not quit as much. With Romney our 2nd amend. stands a better chance of survival and definitely stands a better chance than it would with that damned Hilary in office.

I'm not much of one to try and tell anyone who to support or who to vote for, but I will say this is not the place for Clinton support. Either of them. This is a pro-gun site, but above that it is a pro-America site. Putting an Anti-American criminal on a pedestal goes againt everything we want to do here.

This is not a Democrat free site, but it is a Clinton free site as well as any other gun grabber.

Gun control isn't the only issues to consider, but it is an important issue. The Clintons have no issues, no policies or agendas that doesn't rape our rights and pad their fucking pockets and nothing good can be said about those pieces of shit that's not a total lie.

I hate to sound like a dick, I really do. I don't like a lot of arguing and hard feelings. So, if you must support them for whatever reasons you could possibly have to do so Please don't do it here.

On that same note there will likely not be any praise for Giuliani or several other republicans here either.

Dear friends based on the above statements by the owner of this site I am here to say good bye. I joined this site because of the censorship and over all right wing anti liberal attitude at other sites. I was under the belief that this Forum supported the 1st as well as the 2nd amendment. I have no problem with any one backing or voting for whom ever they wish. I am not a big supporter of hillary or Bill Clinton but he did a better job of helping this country grow than both the Bush's put together and then some. And this new censorship even goes onto the GOP with some exceptions.

I feel that this attitude belittle the forum and it's members. I will miss all of the members here including those I disagree with politically and religously. This was for a time a forum worth belonging to and worth referring friends to. Unfortunately I no longer feel that way.

In want to thank all here who have been friends, who challeged me to think an dopen my mind, those who were gracious and fair in our disagreements, and all those who helped with my questions and all that made me fell welcome and accepted.

Again thank you for your friendship and warmth.

[Sinatra877]

Again, I agree that we disagree. Sorry you feel that way Doc.

BTW: a H.S. kid and his checkbook could've balanced the budget if they cut out four Army Divisions in 4 different posts, 4 Air Force Stations, 2 Navy bases and 1 Marine base. Of course this knocks off all the civilian support infrastructure as well. He also cut back the CAP patrols off the US eastern coast which is what the terrorists used to their advantage on 9/11. So he had to pay back then in '93 and he denied it, shot off 4 Tomahawks and called it "mission accomplished". So we have to pay in spades now and boy are we paying out through the nose.

[Vader]

Don't even get me started on either of the clintons. 8 years of national humiliation is enough to last a life time. now he's got that CGI garbage which takes large sums of money from businesses. It would not surprise me one bit if that's what's actually funding her campaign

[Headhunter 13]

Don't even get me started on either of the clintons. 8 years of national humiliation is enough to last a life time. now he's got that CGI garbage which takes large sums of money from businesses. It would not surprise me one bit if that's what's actually funding her campaign

Bet you voted for W both times and think he's brilliant and doing a good job. Even though he is a world class embarrassment and sells America to Mexico, China, UAE, Saudia Arabia and big Business.

[Sinatra877]

Bet you voted for W both times and think he's brilliant and doing a good job. Even though he is a world class embarrassment and sells America to Mexico, China, UAE, Saudia Arabia and big Business.

Didn't NAFTA pass under the Clinton administration? And Perot even called it bad? Since I actually work for "big business"...even I agreed that the entire war was over oil. We need it, they are the 4th largest producer of crude and we want it and we also want a price break from OPEC nations because we are attempting to stabilize the region. There is no grandiose plan of "helping the poor, fledgling Iraqi government by winning their hearts and minds". I can tell you from experience, they are all alike when it comes to underdeveloped third world nations...they don't give a rat's fuck about who's running the government, they want to know where the next bowl of food is coming from and if they get a bowl. But liberating a country that was oppressed and seeing children eat a meal is good for the heart and soul too so I have no regrets on squeezing my trigger at those "soldiers" that supported his regime. As a Marine once said...everytime I squeeze the trigger on someone, the only thing I feel is recoil.

If it wasn't for the oil, all we would have there is just another Islamic state that smells of rotting flesh, burning rubber and rotting fruit all at the same time. Besides oil, do you know what the next largest export in Iraq is? Dates...as in the fucking fruit, but under Sadaam's reign after the war in '91, he has sent monies out to terrorist cell groups that train in other Islamic countries specifically targeting Western nations and that has massive consequences for everybody...no matter what gender, what religion, what sexual orientation. Everybody dies the same with them and he did finance their training for a long time afterwards up until they pissed us off in 2002-2003.

If it wasn't for the oil what the fuck would we be doing there? He may not have had WMD's there but it wouldn't surprise me that he got them shipped to Iran or Syria before we went. Had he let our inspectors out there when they wanted to inspect, I think we would've dispelled any notion of an invasion.

Here's the real reason why the US plans to stay there for a good long while...when we actually stabilize their corrupt country, we would hope that they will stand up on their two feet and become a productive middle eastern country that can at least tolerate Western influences without strapping Abdul to a Mk 1 body bomb every other hour. They are a oil producing nation but it fucks with the worlds' economy everytime he spewed shit out of his mouth or corralled his troops around the Kuwaiti border. We are still in Japan and Germany since 1945, we fought Nazi sympathizers until the early '50's and the last Japanese soldier surrendered his arms in 1976. Meanwhile, we implemented the Marshall plan and built up their countries and taught them a new way of looking at things. What makes anyone think that we are just pack up an run out of Iraq because of general defeatism? I'm afraid those folks will have to wake up and told that we will occupy Iraq for many decades to come.

Clinton merely benefited from Reagan's Trickle Down theory and the economy today is dictated by Clinton's economic decisions...of course Clinton did spur growth by nearly cutting our military in half making us vulnerable to a two front war and cut our basic CAP patrols to only two aircraft at a time. He had the opportunity to take care of the problem in '93 after the original bombing and could have done more after the Embassy in Kenya was blown up and the folks who died in the Dubai Towers. He chose not too. We are now essentially paying for our Fathers sins out the nose and counterinsurgency isn't cheap.

Bush may not be the smartest cat out there but he does have some very smart motherfuckers surrounding him. Don't ever forget that big business makes the tools for war and big business drives the world's economy and by using big business and specialized contractors such as myself, it costs way less to send me on a one year deployment and have me do a specific job than it is to deploy one military troop. Why? because even though a contractor makes roughly $400 - $650 a day, we are granted no rights from Geneva Convention rules...not that the Wacky Iraqi's would follow that, but my companies business has to provide all of the logistics, the processing, the medical and dental and the psychological, they provide for the equipment and my housing. No one would deploy only 10 guys from a division for a year to do that...that's why they are called soldiers and armies. They depoy enmasse. A big business private security firm selects their own team members for specific missions that they got training for by either former military experience, self-paid schooling or LEO experience. With the monetary figures I typed down, it would cost the military almost 2-3 years and $2 million dollars to deploy one SF soldier plus all their needed logisitics. I only cost $180-200k a year and I already have the experience and training and my logistical needs are all provided by the company. So we are a cheaper resource to use and they can get their new shavetail SF troops in hot beds to gain experience. To be fair there are companies that do milk the system. But from what I experienced, my big business company doesn't.

I don't think anyone could have done the job much better. If anyone got handed a shooting war in the first 9 months of their Presidency, I'm sure they'd be not so hot either and as I typed before in another thread, folks whom Bush bash about the current war today would been the first ones in line to Bush-bash if he didn't act on 9/11. Everyone had a little flag didn't they? Everyone was pro-American then weren't they? It's too late to complain. We're there and there's no seconds. Besides, big business and war go hand in hand. It's good for the economy.

And for the record. I voted for W twice, I voted for Dole in '96 and Bush Sr's re-election bid in '92 and in '88 and I was too young to vote for Reagan but if given the chance, I would have. I stood before President Reagan for a honor guard inspection in Berlin, I saw President HW Bush in Kuwait when he came to see the troops. The closest I ever saw President Clinton was in a video tape that was private when Randy Shugart's wife spit in his face in a private ceremony. I was a cop when I met W Bush when he visited my town. He is alot shorter than he appears on TV. He will be remembered in my book as the poor President that got shafted with a shitty war that Clinton didn't have the nuts for in '93. We'd still be conducting a feasibility study and begging the UN for help if it was him running things. It may not be a popular war now...but we're there, it's the right fight because a lot is at stake now and we need to win it. I'm sure you wouldn't want your kids to do the fighting or your Grandkids. The American people are fickle and there is a subculture in our society that are just wusses, once a few American's are killed they want us to just pack up an leave...well they should have thought about the consequences before they advocated sending troops in 2001. Also for the record, the Bush-sponsored, General Petraeus' Troop Surge plan is working. There are less attacks, Al Queda is failing to keep their organization together because of Allies being everywhere. Bin Laden may not be caught but since he's sixty something, hooked up to a dialysis machine...we can still make his existence a living hell because he'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his days. We will also track and try to kill off his followers as well. A bag of pork rinds will guarantee their fear. They started the fucker and I'm gonna fuck them up. They killed nearly 4k troops now and nearly another 4k when they went to the WTC and the Pentagon. Five planeloads of folks and smoking impact craters don't lie. We were past soldiering for a good while. We've kicked into "Crusader" mode during the late warphase. I have no problems killing off an entire country of Iraq or Afghanistan if it threatens our own citizens and children in the future. Call me anything if you wish...warmonger, warfighter, tyrant, mercenary, armed thug, the new Stalin or Hitler. I could care less and I would be proud to do so if it prevents anymore killings on US citizens and soil. Nukem' til they glow and shoot them in the dark...I really don't give a fuck.

Ones that I are defeatist in nature, or advocates abandonment should think about what they advocated for in the days after 9/11. Otherwise, they can curl up in a fetal position, cry to their hearts content and then eat their pistol for all I'm concerned. The warfighters will still continue to function without all the defeatist negativity and propaganda. It would be less noisy without all that white noise. If you want to be embarrassed by President Bush, that's your problem. I found it embarrassing that Clinton was nearly impeached for lying about a fucking blowjob with a chubby intern! That hasn't happened since Andrew Johnson was in office! At least Bush is being blamed on real issues that effect world policy and neighboring Islamic countries like Syria and Iran won't go full out to piss us off yet 'cause we're in their backyard. Clinton couldn't even accomplish that and that's a trully a sorry legacy...over a fucking Blowjob.

On top of all this...Does anyone here wish to pay $20 bucks a gallon of gas in the future? I didn't think so.

Frank...Out.

[Headhunter 13]

Now I feel better about my decision to leave. NAFTA is a fuck up but free trade and a relgious war run by a fucking idiot whose father no longer even sticks up for him being justified is beyond belief. As for W being surrounded by people with brain so was Hitler. And remember as the story goes W's grandfather dis a whole lot of banking for the Third Reich and voiced support for it here here in the states. As for 20 dollar gas it is Bush and cronies that will drive that with the wars.

[Sinatra877]

Hell, even Hitler was a soldier at one time. See ya' at the gas pump and Bush was at least smart enough to get into the White House. The best the Democrats had the last election was Kerry and his own war buddies hated his ass. That's democracy...

[Sinatra877]

Joseph P. Kennedy Sr., JFK's father was the US Ambassador to England up until 1939 when he was called in by FDR for openly supporting the Nazi's rhetoric. He was also a alcohol smuggler during the Fulstead Act. He was also a Democrat.

Prescott Bush, W's grandfather and HW's father, set up an investment account for the Luftwaffe to obtain tetrahethyl lead in 1937. It was an anti knock fuel additive for the aircraft. This is way before the war even began.

President HW Bush Sr., was WWII honorably discharged US Navy Torpedo Dive Bomber Pilot that was shot down and was luckily picked up by a US Submarine.

President W Bush in all fairness did have a spotty history in the Texas Air National Guard but he was a qualified F-4 Phantom stick.

Here's a few documented tidbits for everyone to analyze.

Bill Clinton was the only man of his prime draft age classified A-1 by that draft board in 1968 whose pre-induction physical examination was put off for 10.5 months. This delay was more than twice as long as anyone else and more than five times longer than most area men of comparable eligibility.

--[Los Angeles Times Sep 02 92]


"...after about two weeks waiting for Bill Clinton to arrive for his preliminary interview and physical exam, Ellis said he called (Clinton's uncle) Raymond to inquire - 'What happened to that boy?' According to Ellis, Clinton's uncle replied - 'Don't worry about it. He won't be coming down."It's all been taken care of.' "
--[LA Times Sep 02 92]


Because of the local draft board's continuing postponement of his pre-induction physical, Clinton is able to enroll at Oxford Univ.

--[Wash Post Sep 13 92]


Clinton's friend at Oxford, Cliff Jackson, writes, "Clinton is feverishly trying to find a way to avoid entering the Army as a drafted private. I have had several of my friends in influential positions trying to pull strings on Bill's behalf."

-- [LA Times Sep 26 92]


According to Cliff Jackson, Clinton's Oxford classmate, Clinton used the ROTC program to "kill the draft notice, to avoid reporting on the July 28 induction date, which had already been postponed. And he did that by promising to serve his country in the ROTC, number one, to enroll in the law school that fall ... and he never enrolled."

--[Wash Times Sep 17 92]


On 101569, Clinton organized and led anti-war demonstrations in London.

-- [Wash Times Sep 18 92]


No matter what the Bush's shortcomings were, the point is that they both served.

For The Record:

Again, I agree that we disagree. We have a vastly different view on things and unfortunately it has been verbally debated in a hostile manner on both sides. I do apologize for that and for touching a raw nerve in you. It was never my intention for this to get out of hand like this, nor do I want you to leave the forum or encourage you to do so. I do enjoy debating anyone no matter how heated it gets. I just debate things like a lawyer. I don't make the rulings but I am a feverish gun rights advocate and will do almost anything to protect it's integrity.

You have verbalized your opinions about the war and the administration but please don't armchair quarterback the game based on just the media. Although you made good points about the war and the Bush Administration, most folks are just not qualified to do so besides making an outside opinion... and you've already done that. It is painfully evident that you have a "anti" perception on what I am, what I was or what I do presently and the policy gears of war that drive it; no matter how erroneous I think your preconception may be. There are some military leaders, politicians and civilians who thinks it's a lost cause but there are a great deal of folks who suports the mission and would like Iraq to do well and become a productive member of the World Community. Even though it may seem to be a impossible task, it is obtainable but it will take time. I have always said that this war is over the Oil. I said that in a reply months ago when I joined the AGO. I have never diluted anyones conception about this issue. It is all about the oil and no nation will go to this length unless it was a national stategic asset. If it were an easy task, someone would have done it a long time ago. The British nearly did. I may be just a private corporate soldier now or your so called "mercenary" as you put it (there is an actual definition for it) but I did learn all my skillsets and tricks during my years in the Army and the Police. Go to my introduction page; it is just a part of my military credentials and I wouldn't dare to call myself an expert in this matter even though I have been doing this type of work since the summer of 1986.

You're a Ph.D of Anthropology. I respect that. I was a professional soldier in a Infantry unit, Airborne Unit, Ranger Regiment and in the JFK Special Warfare Center in three large combat deployments. Of the three times I got deployed, I got pinged twice. My last active duty "ping" resulted in my possible medical discharge and both collective pings netted me a little over a year to recover from. After Somalia in 1993, I resigned in 1994 and later became a cop until my previous Army injuries caught up with me. While I was out with BW in Iraq of '04, I got pinged again in a roadside IED and had to go home for nearly six months but I understood the risks and accepted them for what it was worth. Either as a serviceman, cop or a PMC (Private Military Contractor), it's a helluva way to make a living then and now and I have always considered my job as saving many American & Allied lives by terminating enemy personnel to the best of my ability. When I go back again, I would be escorting VIP's but there is always a good chance that something else can happen. There's a few reasons why I do this; for the pay...especially with BW, they pay the best, to help US military personnel and their allies and that my old injuries are considered a liability for police work. In a grand scale, I don't want another US citizen hurt or killed in a cowardly attack either CONUS or OCONUS.

Many average folks think that BW will just close up...that may be just the case but I highly doubt it. They are still in Afghanistan...but do you think regular folks out there realize that even though BW may be out, the "contractors" such as I will be recruited and solicited to go with another company that works in the theatre of operations there. I've had an opportunity to work for Dyncorp already in their WPPS (Worldwide Personnel Protective Services) and turned it down for the higher BW payscale. I've done a year as a trainer with MPRI (Military Professional Resources Inc.). Contractors move around from company to company with whoever is hiring just like anyone else would do. By next spring or sooner, I'm sure I'll be working for Dyncorp or Triple Canopy. So the point is that it would be the same contractors but working for different company names and there are a ton of them. It wouldn't make a difference.

I can use the term "I" now. I've earned that. For a good nine years of my life, we lived under the rule of UCMJ (Uniformed Code of Military Justice) and the stigma is that we serve democracy, not to practice it. That's why the military is called the "Service". It isn't called the "Service" for nothing. One doesn't just do a job. It is a sacrifice of ones being and accepting a disciplined, Spartan lifestyle.

I harbor no ill feelings Doc and apologize if you believed I went after you and drove your BP up by 30 points. I will admit, I was red-faced and hopping mad at times as well but I've cooled off. As I said, we all have different opinions in one way or another. Our opinions just happen to differ greatly and it is a very touchy subject for both of us. If you choose to stay, I welcome it. If you choose to leave, I wish you well and Godspeed. No one wishes you to leave but you must remember this is a pro-gun/ownership website and advocates the same.

Let's leave it at that. OK? I am so done with this matter.

[Vader]

Bet you voted for W both times and think he's brilliant and doing a good job. Even though he is a world class embarrassment and sells America to Mexico, China, UAE, Saudia Arabia and big Business.

Why is it that people attacks another politician of the opposite party when they can't defend or justify the garbage of their idols?

I vote for who I want just like you do and who I vote for is my business and my business alone and it's not your place to judge or question my choice but since you bring it up and want to pull me into your spat Ill have you know I never voted for either Bush. Although I will say I'm glad he beat Gore what 5 times in one election? and I'm glad he beat Kerry too even though I didn't vote in either election. just like I didn't vote in clintons second term because I didn't like Dole and wouldn't vote for a clinton with a gun to my head!

I don't vote for anyone I don't like and just because I don't like one guy or party doesn't mean I like or support the other. comments like your is what makes people mad and start pointless arguments. know who you are talking to before you judge them.

[Headhunter 13]

First no one pulled you in you jumped in when you posted your comments.

Second I am of the opinion that if you don't excerise your right and priveledge to vote you should also give up your rights to a political opinion to those that run

As for stating my position. I have I don't like any that are running except maybe Ron Paul but that does not mean I would vote for him because he can't win. As for my position on Bush/Cheney administration they are an embarrassment and a danger to all that America stands for. They have and continue to sell out the country, the people and our rights

[TcRoc]

Bury the hatchet and move on guys,enough is enough.

[Headhunter 13]

no arguement here. Just responding to his post. As he responded to others. Just pointing out that no one drug him in he entered voluntarily.

[TcRoc]

I mean the couple of threads of spuing at eachother ,it's out of hand and everyone knows it.
This section is a privledge to have and yes for debate if it occurs but when it gets out of hand it does the forum no good and quite frankly it's making me want to :vomit1:.
Battling opinon to the bitter end does nothing.We're all here for one reason and remember we all have differant views and while it's our right not to agree lets not turn this section into a war zone.
Civilized debate is fine beyond that it's nothing but problems.
Thanks,
Matt

[jkroner659]

TcRoc is right, this has gone on for long enough. The next person in either of these 2 threads we are having a problem with, to comment to another member in this back and fourth debate will get an infraction, and the thread will be closed. Trust me I think this has gone on for long enough and there is no end in sight. PM each other if you must argue back and fourth. It just looks bad for the forum, no one has to apologize to admins/mods, just end it or we will have too, thanks...So back to Microstamping...

[Toecutter1201]

TcRoc is right, this has gone on for long enough. The next person in either of these 2 threads we are having a problem with, to comment to another member in this back and fourth debate will get an infraction, and the thread will be closed. Trust me I think this has gone on for long enough and there is no end in sight. PM each other if you must argue back and fourth. It just looks bad for the forum, no one has to apologize to admins/mods, just end it or we will have too, thanks...So back to Microstamping...

Whoa!
i just had the biggest case of DeJa-vu, could swear that i've read this somewhere before!:p


now on to something we ALL can AGREE on!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/toecutter1201/Political/Rosie20ODonnell-17.jpg

BEEEEAAAATTTTTCCCCCHHHHH!

[Vader]

Yes sir Rockie I mean rosie is totally fucked up!