Finding a job...WTF?

[Sinatra877]

Man...what a pain in the fuckin' ass it is to find a job with my skill sets not in Law Enforcement.

On one hand, I got cop and commando skills. I can find a job humping and pumping on all the mountains of Afghanistan or some shithole in Iraq for about $180k a year. Since I'm getting back into it later in the year all they have are the "shooter" jobs so mid to higher executive levels are non applicable. Besides, the ones whom have the job already know it's sweet and are staying put. They do around $250k a year...but they are all divorced or about to be divorced or cheating with the good looking chicks in the services anyway...don't get me wrong...it's fun for a bit but I like home. That's why I have a stateside home...condo...whatever.

Then on the other hand, if I want a CONUS job. Within the US, there is nothing paying at least $300 a day plus per diem. Since there have been no clusterfucks since New Orleans in '05, these jobs are either BYOG; Bring Your Own Guns or unarmed temporary details or the infamous strike settler thingy. It's all Shit!

I don't even go to my local Wal Mart without a piece yet alone somewhere I'm not familiar with...yeah right...sure. Fuck me silly and call me Sally.

I thought about LEO work again but there's no way I can ever do anything without the word liability attached too me. My back is a 50% service connected disability from the VA and it just makes no sense too me. I can go and fight overseas like a soldier but I can't direct fucking traffic in the US!!! Is it me or is something totally fucked with that mindset?

Even with my Military experience. I've tried. The recruiter told me that he could only take me if I was 30% or under and then I have to sign a disability waiver so I can't sue. WTF? Sue for what? Getting blown up by an IED? At my age all I wanna do is go back to Bragg, Benning, Stewart or Jackson and teach sneaky Pete drills. I'm not gonna give my VA disability away, it's like winning a lottery ticket. Do you know how long I had to wait for it? Even though I got it on the first shot...which proves how fucked my back is. Most guys fight with the VA for two to three years to get that. It took me only a year. Besides, if there is anything harder than getting VA help...it's getting them to stop.

Any Suggestions or should I just eat my Glock now?

[Headhunter 13]

I would stop asking to be fucked and called Sally. That is not a good ice breaker during an interview!

Sorry Sinatra, that was so easy I just had to do it. But I feel for you. At 55 yo with 22 years recruiting skills they would still rather get a half assed hump that will work for 20K plus minimal commissions. Plus the East Indian Indentured Servitude Recruiting agencies are cluster fucking the industry. I actually got an email today about a temp inhouse recruiter job for 25 bucks an hour and a commute of 90 minutes. Sounds like a real deal to me (not) and this was to be on site at a GE. And guess what when I called asking for a call back because I had questions, I got no return call.

[Dash Riprock]

Nah, don't eat the Glock. It's only a rumor they taste like chicken. :D

Have you considered your own business? Like a security company or even civilain arms training or both? Just a thought.

I've done the 9 to 5 thing and the whole corporate shithole. I refuse to do it anymore so I'm always thinking about things I could start just to keep from ever having to bow down the suits again.

I have been thinking very seriously about starting my own security company. I did security when I was i school and really liked it that's why I mentioned that...

[jkroner659]

Sinatra move up here and start a ladies only self defense school:beavisnbutthead:...we can use my riot gear:limp::drunk:

[RiverFisher]

+1 on the above answers.
I think I like the Monkey's idea best.

Do NOT eat the Glock. If you are going to try, I recommend that you microwave it first.

Just a shot in the dark, but have you looked into working for one of the gun manufacturers? R&D, testing, etc.?

How about writing a book. Chicks love authors...

[Sinatra877]

How about writing a book. Chicks love authors...

Funny that you wrote that...I could spin up a good techno-thriller with the knowlege I have. I've seriously thought about this for awhile now. I thought of a interesting idea for the basic plot line...what do you think?

Title: "Asp Two-Zero-One"(Radio call sign of the team.)

A new contractor (Mr. X so far) is assigned with a PSD team for a sketchy, Western educated Client in Saudi Arabia. Mr. X is from the US and the team are internationals (as they really are in real life), South African, German, Irish, Austrailian, British, Russian and so forth...

He goes with the team and client and witnessed something like a very large cash payment too Ultra Radical Jihadists that got hold of a low yield tactical nuclear weapon via the "Red Mercury" (look it up. it's real) blackmarket that will be sent to the US. The international team he's with doesn't really trust him since he's new and they've been with this Sheik on and off since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991 making very good money with no questions asked. Pure Mercenaries for hire.

As they come back to the base camp, they are ambushed by local unknown "good guys" whom don't know that Mr. X is a good guy too. The international team is unsure of Mr. X's intentions or what he saw and thinks he'll squeal/betray them and the high paying Sheik and since they are the real mercenary types, the team kills the local "good guys" and take the opportunity to kill Mr. X in a firefight with the "good guys" as a precaution.

He's left for dead and deliberately left in the desert and reported "killed in hostile area" after they strip his equipment, weapons and supplies off. Mr. X severely injured... scurries tediously too an aid station by himself and calls a few friends he knew with the connections to the "dark side" of the Force and he gets a fake passport and goes back too the US via Jordan and Israel without raising suspicion.

And as he recuperates at a new location, with a new identity, along with the connections through a few close friends...Mr. X plots his revenge and systematically looks for his former team mates when they rotate back to their native countries homes or other contractor areas like; Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, Darfur and the US, specifically New Orleans and assassinates them one by one methodically and systematically.

Every target is different & methods of assassination are different;

Like the Russian teamate, Sergey Gerasminov...ex Spetznaz, Afghanistan veteran...decorated Hero of the Soviet Union is now affiliated with the Russian Mob and loves underage prostitutes. He gets an icepick rammed into his ear in a Men's Bathroom stall at a Russian Mob owned Bordello.

Or our Irish teamate, Patrick Kelley, former operator from the Irish Army Rangers is later found in Iraq with Triple Canopy as a convoy PSD specialist and Mr. X diverts the attention of his convoy with fake or minor explosions, and while the convoy assesses the threat during the panic stage... Mr. X only targets Patrick with a special upgraded IED made of Semtex, a cellular phone detonation device with a 1/2" copper plate and makes a few folks and agencies go "hmmm".

Mr. X is a former 11B20 and 18B MOS (look them up)

Mixing in names of different cities and companies like; Blackwater, Triple Canopy, Dyncorp, MPRI, KBR, EODT and Aegis Defence Ltd./Executive Outcomes.

BTW: Look them all up. They are all legit companies. Or check out this website; www.shadowcompany.com it's alot better than www.iraqforsale.com it specifically talks about the hunter-killer, PSD teams, not the lame support services mentioned in Iraq for Sale.

Of course the FBI, CIA, DIA, and NSA have been putting two and two together but dismisses the HUMINT, SIGNINT and ELINT information as "not reliable" so they drop it.

In the meantime only one FBI and one CIA agent working seperately on their own puts together the nuclear puzzle and assassinations and accidentally bumps into one another in their own private investigation without their agencies knowledge and how it ties within the asassinations of these other men, the infamous Sheik...and helps out Mr. X by finding the Saudi Sheik whom by the way is the third in line to the throne of the Kingdom of Saud which he assassinates as well but; there is a bigger picture, there is someone in a high level, Oval office level...Washington job that's been working with the Sheik for a long time within another conspiracy to gain power.

Will our Mr. X assassinate this official too?


I practically wrote the book already. I've been thinking seriously about writing it. It would even make a great movie I think.

What do you guys think about this plot so far? What are your thoughts? What do you think?

[Sinatra877]

You guys are normally chatty. How come no one has read this basic plot line and commented on this?

Does it suck or should I start writing it? Am I getting the cold shoulder here?

Anyone?...

Hello?...

Bueller?...Bueller?...Anyone?

[jkroner659]

It's too long to read:speechless::happy:, I will read it later on tonight, I looked at it earlier and said nope, another time:happy:

[RiverFisher]

Sinatra, I would go for it, all in!
You have the makings of a good read. I really don't know much about actually writing a novel, but I'm sure there are books on the subject. Something like Publishing for Dummies,etc. I have read a lot of books in this genre, and your outline fits the mold perfectly for the type of story that would sell. As much as you can bring in recent real life events, the better. You definitely have the background to write about the subject, just make sure you explain everything, like Red Mercury, etc. Are you thinking Mr. X is a loner like the old Mack Bolan character (Don Pendleton) or someone who has mostly been too busy for relationships with women and then gets blindsided by love like Mitch Rapp (Vince Flynn)? As for the main character's name, might I suggest combining the names of friends that you have lost? That would seem an appropriate tribute.

Oh, and don't forget to add the character that lives in the Western US and is obsessed with flyfishing, and helps X by providing cryptic information via an internet message board.:wavey:

If you pursue this, keep us informed.
I am thinking about writing down a story that happened to me while fishing and sending it to my favorite fishing rag to see if they will publish it. Baby steps.....

[Sinatra877]

Sinatra, I would go for it, all in!
You have the makings of a good read. I really don't know much about actually writing a novel, but I'm sure there are books on the subject. Something like Publishing for Dummies,etc. I have read a lot of books in this genre, and your outline fits the mold perfectly for the type of story that would sell. As much as you can bring in recent real life events, the better. You definitely have the background to write about the subject, just make sure you explain everything, like Red Mercury, etc. Are you thinking Mr. X is a loner like the old Mack Bolan character (Don Pendleton) or someone who has mostly been too busy for relationships with women and then gets blindsided by love like Mitch Rapp (Vince Flynn)? As for the main character's name, might I suggest combining the names of friends that you have lost? That would seem an appropriate tribute. Oh, and don't forget to add the character that lives in the Western US and is obsessed with flyfishing, and helps X by providing cryptic information via an internet message board.:wavey: If you pursue this, keep us informed. I am thinking about writing down a story that happened to me while fishing and sending it to my favorite fishing rag to see if they will publish it. Baby steps.....

I never did explain Red Mercury did I? It's a real code named file the CIA/NSA/FBI was researching on the illegal sale of nuclear weapons, components, detonators and enriched uranium too radicals from former Soviet Bloc countries to get the economy back on their feet.

It sounds like an old Mack Bolan doesn't it. I'm thinking of a character based on folks I've met and did myself.

I thought that my Main Character is a Hemingway Code Hero or something. Former SSgt. 11B20 (Senior NCO Infantryman) & 18B (SF Small Weapons Sergeant) and well-decorated NCO that comes from Billings, Montana whom grew up fly fishing and hunting with his Grandparents. Grandpa was a Ranger in WWII and ascended Pointe Du Hoc and taught him a lot of fieldcraft while hunting days at a time.

His parents were killed in a head on collision when he was two. He later joined the Army right after H.S. and over the years in the 82nd, he goes through the Q-course, Robin Sage, HALO course and his MOS school in Benning. Our main character is a bit of a loner now due to his loss and bitter divorce but his SF experience gave him a multitude of characters to lean upon for information and help. One friend is a former SF team member whom was inducted into the Operations Department of the CIA. Another SF friend is a professional mercenary whom smuggles weapons from Jordan too Syria...my imagination is my oyster you know?

While serving happily at the JFKSPECWARCTR at Ft. Bragg, his young daughter was killed by a drunken GI driver on Post Housing which turned his short lived marriage into a downspin. He alienates his Wife whom eventually divorces him because he can't deal with his daughter's loss and he buried himself in the "blackbag" world of SF. Then El Salvador, Honduras, Panama and then Desert Storm working out of Ankara, Turkey with the Mike Force units assigned to knock out Scud missles and crews. He then hears about the Kuwaiti Royal Family and the Saud Royal Families and leaves the Army and he starts contracting with them right after the war and then our story begins...

What do you think there?

[Toecutter1201]

You guys are normally chatty. How come no one has read this basic plot line and commented on this?

Does it suck or should I start writing it? Am I getting the cold shoulder here?

Anyone?...

Hello?...

Bueller?...Bueller?...Anyone?

actually it's got a little, Mack Bolan style wrapped around some marchenko! i for one would like to read it! (when its finished)

i actually like to read this style book (contrary to what some people think, toecutter doesnt need books with lots of pictures to understand them!) my favorite author besides DR. Seuss :eek:would have to be tom clancy (finishing his "OP Center war of eagles" by the end of the week) so try and have yours finished by then O.K? :beers:

[Headhunter 13]

I was waiting for the Cliff Notes version:happy:. Actually it was sounding good. I wouls say go for it

[Sinatra877]

actually it's got a little, Mack Bolan style wrapped around some marchenko! i for one would like to read it! (when its finished)

i actually like to read this style book (contrary to what some people think, toecutter doesnt need books with lots of pictures to understand them!) my favorite author besides DR. Seuss :eek:would have to be tom clancy (finishing his "OP Center war of eagles" by the end of the week) so try and have yours finished by then O.K? :beers:


I think our mutual friend may like it dedicated too him.

As far as the rest of the names go in this book, I think we'ed all like to remain incognito. We are the soldiers of the damned, the shadow warriors of the netherworld. We are faceless, nameless and cursed. "Cry Havoc!...and set loose the Dogs of War!!"

I've got to do some detail research before I write the rough draft. Meanwhile, I have to find a grant or some money to float on for about a year to do so. Typing at the rate of 55 WPM is a plus but it doesn't fill the bank account. Maybe I'll do a short tour of six months and have enough to eat off of and get more characters in my mind. We'll see...

[RiverFisher]

Sinatra,
I really do think that you are onto something that could change your situation big time. I have heard that publishing a book is a very big PIA, but it can be done. It sounds to me like you have what it takes.

Toecutter-the book with pictures comment had me rolling!

[Sinatra877]

Toecutter-the book with pictures comment had me rolling!

I thought I'd have to publish a pop-up version with "small-shiny" things for that Neanderthal, knuckle dragging Marine. I bet his eyeballs are set like 4" deep into that pre-homosapien skull of his. I love ya' Toecutter, I'd never shit you...you're my favorite turd.

Hey Toecutter! (just out of fun and love and that I love tormenting former Marines:beers:)
"How come Marines are alot like Bananas?"

[Toecutter1201]

I think our mutual friend may like it dedicated too him.


:bows:

Toecutter-the book with pictures comment had me rolling!

Toecutter does have his moments!!!

I thought I'd have to publish a pop-up version with "small-shiny" things for that Neanderthal, knuckle dragging Marine. I bet his eyeballs are set like 4" deep into that pre-homosapien skull of his. I love ya' Toecutter, I'd never shit you...you're my favorite turd.

Hey Toecutter! (just out of fun and love and that I love tormenting former Marines:beers:)
"How come Marines are alot like Bananas?"

THIS BETTER BE GOOD! lol so ........................Bring it!:popcorn: LOL

[Sinatra877]

Marines are alot like bananas because when they go to battle they're Green, turn yellow and die in bunches.

OK. Now you can write a Army Joke.

[RiverFisher]

Did someone say shiny things?......
Sorry, I was distracted there for.............wow, I'm back, where was I? Oh yeah, I was distracted there for a minute. Shiny things and all...

[Sinatra877]

Wow...I thnk I may have pissed off Toecutter. He hasn't even replied back with a "fuck off" or anything. When I first heard that joke...even though it's cruel in a way, it was still funny as hell.

[Cliff731]

I do like the synopsis/plot line so far... with one exception.

Don't kill his daughter off. That's your main character's one anchor.

You need to preserve her at all costs. You killed his parents off, so he's got our sympathy there... but his little girl too? It begins to sound a bit mushy then.

How about this?... he and his wife simply divorced. Or, he was never married anyway... just had a relationship with a very special woman... how about one that's twenty-three... (sorry... couldn't resist that one!!! :D)... or how about his wife just couldn't handle the all too frequent separations caused by his "job"... decided she had enough of the military and bailed out of the marriage?

So... she moves off across the continent with the guy's little daughter... end result of a divorce he didn't want and screwed up visitation simply means he gets to see the little darling two or three times a year.

Keeps her in the plot line... and you can use that later on when some of the real nasty bad guys try to use her to get to him (another book perhaps).

As far as the way his parents died... well... how about this one?... his dad died in 'Nam... you can invent something creative there... he disappeared on some mission and the family never heard the "real story" (which gives you a lead in on further plot developments)... he was a USAF pilot... flew C-130 spook missions up into North Viet Nam... got shot down... was reported alive after the crash... the rest is a mystery and the government just clammed up on it "officially" saying it was a routine mission... but... his mom and his grandfather always suspected and knew differently. Especially his granddad... he knew his son wasn't flying just "routine" missions.

Okay... now there's an "old guy" who your man just happens to "bump" into one day while off post... yeah... that's pretty much how it "happens"... but he did notice the guy... felt he was watched... followed possibly. Turns out to be a "retired" CIA operative who was over there... who was "someone" his dad worked with... someone who just happens to have been his dad's closest friend from those days. The old guy still has incredible contacts... and this meeting wasn't so "accidental".

The old guy sought your man out... they had a long talk and he filled in some blanks (you make that part up) about his dad's dying in Southeast Asia. The old guy knows way too much about your fellow's military record... he's got all the details... dates, assignments, schools, even the divorce... you name it... the old man has kept up with him. The trust came quick... easy... once the realization hit.

The two naturally form a fast and solid bond... the old guy thinks of your hero as his "son" in some way... in reality, he had promised your guy's father that if anything happened he would make sure his wife and son were taken care off. Now, your guy starts putting "1 and 1" together... and figures this is the "mystery man" his grandfather mentioned only a time or two... someone that knew his dad... someone that befriended his grandfather with a reassurance on making good on the promise should anything ever happen to the boy's granddad.

So... our "old spook" can pop in and out of the story line at times... in some most useful ways.

Now... your hero's mother... well, she got hit by the drunk driver... head on collision while on her way to pickup the kid from school. It happened barely two weeks after the news of his father's disappearance had arrived back home. He was waiting longer than usual that day... feeling something was wrong. For it wasn't like his mom to ever be late... punctual was her middle name. All the other kids had departed the school... a teacher asked him to wait in the office... he had hardly sat down and the phone rang... he remembered the school secretary looking over at him while she took the call... and the seeing the tears start from her eyes... she was the one who had to tell him that his mother was not going to be there that day... or any other day ever again.

A neighbor's wife from the base came in about a half hour later... he spent the evening at their quarters... too stunned by what had happened to even remember how she cried too... and the other wives that came over... the hushed voices they spoke of the tragedy in... it was all a blank. He didn't even have a memory of sleeping in a strange bed that night. Nothing at all. He did remember not going to school the next day... and that same morning his grandfather appeared at the front door. He never forgot that... how could he?

Whatcha think?

[jkroner659]

Shit I forgot to read it again...Sinatra I promise I will read it tommorow:D

[Toecutter1201]

Wow...I thnk I may have pissed off Toecutter. He hasn't even replied back with a "fuck off" or anything. When I first heard that joke...even though it's cruel in a way, it was still funny as hell.

oh hell no, i've been searching for a good army joke but go figure......... there arent any! :limp:this one caught my eye though:

The only respectable Army Captain in Iraq was transferred to a remote desert outpost inhabitated by only Marines. On his orientation tour he noticed a very old seedy looking camel tied out behind the enlisted men’s barracks. He asked the Sergeant leading the tour, "Why is a camel tied to the barracks?" The Sergeant replied, "Well sir, it’s a long way from anywhere, and the men have natural sexual urges, so when they do ... uh ... we have the camel ready for them.”

The Captain said, "Well, I suppose if it’s good for morale, then I guess it’s all right with me”. After he had been stationed at the fort for six long, lonely months, the Captain simply couldn’t control his sexual angst any longer. He barked to the Sergeant: "BRING THE CAMEL INTO MY TENT!”

The Sergeant shrugged his shoulders, looked at the other men, and lead the camel into the Captain’s quarters. Within a few minutes, the Captain emerged from his tent, fastening his trousers, almost beaming with pride.

"So, Sergeant, is that how the marines do it?" he asked.
The Sergeant replied, "Well, sir, usually they just ride the camel to the brothel in the closest town."

and then theres this one:

An Army brat was boasting about his father to a Marine brat.

"My dad is an engineer. He can do everything. Do you know the Alps?"

"Yes," said the Marine brat.

"My dad has built them."

Then the Marine kid spoke:
Well my dad's a grunt "And do you know the Dead Sea?"

"Yes."

"It's my dad who's killed it!"


:beavisnbutthead:

sorry but it's all i got!:pat9xu:

[Sinatra877]

I remember turning the tables on a Jehovah's Witness that was too pushy. I kindly reminded them that it wasn't neccessarly Romans whom killed Jesus.

Soldier's did and they liked it.

[Headhunter 13]

ahhhhhhhhh the beginning of a Army vs Marine pissing contest and the 2nd shot has rung out

[Sinatra877]

How do you kill a Marine while drinking water?
Slam the toilet lid on his head.

What do you do if a Marine throws a grenade at you?
Pick it up, save it and then shoot him with your .45

How come Marines have holes in their forehead?
They try to train them to eat with a fork in Basic Training.

What's Olive Drab and Red, has 1,000 legs and the collective intelligence of a very small soap dish?
A pass and review of Basic Trainee graduates at either Camp Pendleton or Lejune.

How do you keep a Marine happy in his old age?
Tell him a joke when he's young.

Howcome Marines are "First to Fight"?
Because you can use them as a sandbag when you hit the beach.

Why do Marines have a history of jumping on grenades in action?
They want to prove too the Army that they're good enough too.

Howcome Sailors are called Squids and Marines just Grunts?
Because Squids are a higher forms of Marine Life.

Howcome there are no more Marine paratroops?
They wanted to prove to the Army they were tougher by not using their parachutes.

Howcome the Marines went to fight on Iwo Jima?
Anything past seven letters are extremely difficult for them to pronunciate.

Howcome the Marines are the smallest armed service?
Most passed the IQ test and joined the other services.

OR...

Because no matter what a Marine will tell you...they hate this but still are and will remain just a Department of the Navy. Since Nov. 10th 1775 at Tun Tavern. The USMC is primarily for security operations for the department of the Navy and for the protection of Naval Officers appointed upon a US ship of War.

These were just the one liners....TAG YOU'RE IT!

Either way, I'm still waiting for JK's input on the original plot thread.