I really don't understand McCain sometimes

[ksuchewie]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign30-2008sep30,0,5361460.story

McCain is blaming democrats & Obama for the bailout bill not passing. Not that I personally wanted it to pass, but 2/3 of the republicans voted against it. If only 1/3 of republicans voted for it, how is it the democrats fault it didn't pass? 2/3 of Democrats voted for it to pass. Wouldn't that mean it was the republicans fault it didn't pass?

[Dash Riprock]

Dems only know 3 things -Tax tax tax... They probably have hidden things in the pages of the bail out that's preventing from passing. They are sneaky that way.

I still believe this is just an election time pile of shit and both sides are playing games with it just to get the credit.

On that note don't forget it's not just McCain blaming the dems, it's also Obama blaming McCain and the republicans.

[Landor]

It is a Dem controlled congress. If the Dem's really wanted it they should get their entire base together. As far as the republicans go, most of the people do not want this. They are telling those who are up for re-election that they do not want it and the rep do not want to piss them off and get voted out of office. Hell, most Dem's do not want it either. Everybody keeps saying we have to do something. My suggestion is do nothing. The shit is going to hit the fan sooner or later. The question is do you want to learn your lesson now or latter. Personally I am tapped out. I have no more money to spend on anything. I can't even afford to type this message. How much more are we suppose to give. What about the next big stock market failure. Yes there will be another, and another. Right now there are people in charge of big corporations trying to find a a way to capitalize off the government / tax payers just like AIG and others are right now. This is corporate terrorism.

As far as McCain and Obama go. They are like two spoiled brats that need an ass kicking.

Sorry, just my thoughts.

[jkroner659]

This is corporate terrorism. As far as McCain and Obama go. They are like two spoiled brats that need an ass kicking.

Sorry, just my thoughts.

I couldn't agree more, the greed from corporations is the main cause of this, let em burn...it sucks that many people will be hurt from this, but let the system crash and burn, it's flawed and a band aid is not gonna fix the problem. McCain and Obama are both lying Bullshit artists, Either way it goes, we won't have a good president in office imo...and we really needed one after 8 years of Gov. Bush.

[SheNINE]

I'm totally against this bailout, and think all this posturing is just that, posturing. I think it has everything to do with politics, and very little to do with what is best for America. I don't believe it will have a hill of beans difference in the long run, it will only put the country in deeper debt for the future.

I don't want my tax dollars going to bailing out companies that are giving their CEO's and top executives millions in parachute deals, when the company is floundering. Let them forgo their billions.

I don't see anyone worrying about the average man, and that's who makes up the heart of America.......

[jkroner659]

I'm totally against this bailout, and think all this posturing is just that, posturing. I think it has everything to do with politics, and very little to do with what is best for America. I don't believe it will have a hill of beans difference in the long run, it will only put the country in deeper debt for the future.

I don't want my tax dollars going to bailing out companies that are giving their CEO's and top executives millions in parachute deals, when the company is floundering. Let them forgo their billions.

I don't see anyone worrying about the average man, and that's who makes up the heart of America.......

Exactly +1

[TcRoc]

I say fuck the bail out,,bail out the dumb asses who created this problem over the last few years giving any slob a loan,,fuck that,,they can kiss my ass

[jtkratzer]

I just think it's funny that every thing the Democrats claim proves to be wrong. They all said if the bailout doesn't pass, the world will blow up. Well, we had a big dip yesterday and then today, we have a huge rebound. Life will go on.

I get tired of Obama blaming Bush, 8 years of failed economic policy, and GOP policy when it was him, democrat leadership at FM/FM cooking the books for their own personal gain, and the Clinton administration who opened the regulations to allow NINJA loans (no income, no job, no assets) to be granted to people who couldn't pay them.

Read this: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=307667123149723

This crisis just happened. The economy has been fine, it just hasn't been growing at such blazing speed, that's not failed policy, nor is it George Bush's fault.

I get tired of the flip flopping as Obama says I want this to be a clean bill and then pushes for $100,000,000 for ACORN. I get tired of him saying this shouldn't hurt Main Street, but then turns around and pushes for basically a tax burden on all of us.

I get tired of the bullsh*t from Nancy Pelosi calling us unpatriotic because there was resistance against the bill that basically would cost us a huge tax increase and an increased national debt.

I'm tired of Obama playing the blame game knowing he's dead wrong and a complete hypocrite on the issue.

On the debate on Friday night, Obama pointed out that "10 days ago, John said the fundamentals of the economy are strong. I believe he's wrong." Fast forward to today, and Obama is now saying the same thing.

I'm tired of the fact that Obama tries to take credit saying he pointed out the upcoming train wreck of the mess we see now, knowing that McCain pointed it out sooner and earlier.

McCain is not perfect, but how can people even consider voting for Obama. He will literally say anything to get elected.

[jtkratzer]

I couldn't agree more, the greed from corporations is the main cause of this, let em burn...it sucks that many people will be hurt from this, but let the system crash and burn, it's flawed and a band aid is not gonna fix the problem. McCain and Obama are both lying Bullshit artists, Either way it goes, we won't have a good president in office imo...and we really needed one after 8 years of Gov. Bush.

Where is McCain a liar? Jason, I'm getting sick and tired of you making claims about this person and that person without backing it up with anything. Not your own examples, not links, not articles, no videos, nothing. It's not that it's because it's about McCain or Bush. It can be anyone. I back up what I say about Obama and explain why I feel the way I do. I'd appreciate it if you could do the same for some of these claims.

Put up or shut up.

I'm not going to apologize for being blunt. I'm tired of Obama supporters claiming anything and everything, even stuff that is completely false, without backing it up and when you call them out on it, they can't come up with anything.

I've repeatedly asked you for the 90% where McCain voted with Bush. Nothing.

And now this...

Try doing something constructive in the political discussion by backing up your seemingly wild and outlandish claims.


:pissed:

[jtkratzer]

I couldn't agree more, the greed from corporations is the main cause of this, let em burn...it sucks that many people will be hurt from this, but let the system crash and burn, it's flawed and a band aid is not gonna fix the problem. McCain and Obama are both lying Bullshit artists, Either way it goes, we won't have a good president in office imo...and we really needed one after 8 years of Gov. Bush.

It's not the greed of corporations, it's the greed of individuals. The concept of FM/FM and Countrywide is not greed and fraudulent business practices. It's the greed of corrupt people. Let's lay the blame where it belongs, because I'm sure it's not the "greed" and "unscrupulous behavior" of the janitor, mail room clerk, and secretaries running these companies into the ground by cooking the books.

[jtkratzer]

It is a Dem controlled congress. If the Dem's really wanted it they should get their entire base together. As far as the republicans go, most of the people do not want this. They are telling those who are up for re-election that they do not want it and the rep do not want to piss them off and get voted out of office. Hell, most Dem's do not want it either. Everybody keeps saying we have to do something. My suggestion is do nothing. The shit is going to hit the fan sooner or later. The question is do you want to learn your lesson now or latter. Personally I am tapped out. I have no more money to spend on anything. I can't even afford to type this message. How much more are we suppose to give. What about the next big stock market failure. Yes there will be another, and another. Right now there are people in charge of big corporations trying to find a a way to capitalize off the government / tax payers just like AIG and others are right now. This is corporate terrorism.

As far as McCain and Obama go. They are like two spoiled brats that need an ass kicking.

Sorry, just my thoughts.


The phone calls going into the House switchboard on Friday were 100 to 1 against the bailout. The American people don't want this to pass because they don't want to cut the checks.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm self employed, at least for three more days, and I physically write the checks to pay my taxes. It sucks to pay out like that. Most people don't notice because they don't pay attention to the deductions from their paychecks.

Take a look some time and see that money going out the door that you've worked for.

[jtkratzer]

How about Obama wants make the claim that anyone making $250,000 won't see a dime of tax increase...but what happens when Obama wants to remove the Bush Tax Cuts? Isn't that a tax increase?

[jkroner659]

This isn't court, I don't have to back up shit, it's up to you to take apart my opinions if you want(I could give a shit, I'm not here to debate), oh and can you prove that 90% quote to be false? Huh? :moon:

[jtkratzer]

This isn't court, I don't have to back up shit, it's up to you to take apart my opinions if you want(I could give a shit, I'm not here to debate), oh and can you prove that 90% quote to be false? Huh? :moon:

Typical. No, it's not court, and if you're not here to debate, don't participate, because that's what political discussion is. When you post the stuff you post, it is debating. Let me correct myself, it's b*tching and complaining. But it's also incendiary. You're just being childish and ducking the issues.

You're right, you don't have to back sh*t up, and at the same time, no one needs to take you seriously.

[jkroner659]

I see you don't take differing opinions very well, that's fine...that's also typical:rolleyes: I also see you couldn't disprove what I said, which is fine, I am not here to debate like I said, I don't care if you can't disprove it, and I definitely won't bitch about your opinions/tactics...are you done complaining about me? Better lose that attitude before you get into the service.

[jtkratzer]

I see you don't take differing opinions very well, that's fine...that's also typical:rolleyes: I also see you couldn't disprove what I said, which is fine, I am not here to debate like I said, I don't care if you can't disprove it, and I definitely won't bitch about your opinions/tactics...are you done complaining about me? Better lose that attitude before you get into the service.

Dude, grow up. I don't have an attitude. It's not tactics. I specifically said in the original post that I don't care who the candidate or person is, just back up your ridiculous claims. I know you can't, because that's all they are. It's as bad as the Obama camp actually trying to say he's never voted for gun bans and supports the second amendment. Riiiiiiight.

No, I'm not done complaining about your b*tching. I never complained about you, just your actions. And for all this non-debating you're allegedly not doing, you're now debating an off topic issue, but go ahead and keep not debating.

Here, quit crying, I'll prove you wrong on your 90%:
The checklist includes: McCain's opposition to interrogation tactics used on terrorist suspects; his much-earlier-than-Bush concern about climate change; his opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; his support for allowing the importation of prescription drugs; and his backing for means testing for the prescription drug program for older Americans.

And on the big two issues – the war and the economy – Holz-Eakin said McCain has distinguished himself from the president by his early criticism of how the war was being run and by taking an economic approach based on more than tax policy.

...

McCain also differs with Bush by calling for the shutdown of the terrorist detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Bush believes the facility remains necessary because there is no other viable place to hold the detainees. McCain disagrees.

...

"Two years in a row, last two years, the president of the United States has signed into law two big-spending, pork-barrel-laden bills worth $35 billion," he said.

In his stump speech, McCain often says Republicans "let spending lurch completely out of control."

In an early and high-profile split with Bush, McCain voted in 2001 against the tax-cut measure championed by the then-new president. At the time of the vote (when he was one of two GOP senators who opposed it), McCain's most vocal opposition centered on his belief that the tax cut was disproportionately skewed to benefit the wealthy. He now also says he opposed the bill because it did not include spending cuts.

McCain now also says he favors making the cuts permanent, a change critics say is a flip-flop. But McCain pitches it as a decision necessitated by the nation's current economic woes. Balancing the budget, he said recently should "still should be a goal ... (but) the goal right now is to get the economy going again."

And here's the source:
http://www.coxwashington.com/hp/content/reporters/stories/2008/04/27/BUSH_MCCAIN27_COX.html

There may be votes that have been taken on similar issues, or even repeated issues up for new votes where he has agreed, but when you look at the individual issues at hand, he has a strong distinction from Bush.

Here's another one to take a look at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSN24431703

[jtkratzer]

Also, if you've never been in the service, don't try to act like you have a clue. I have no prior experience, but never once did I act or talk like I did.

[jkroner659]

I'm done here, but you should know an editorial is not proof, anyone can find an opinion by a writer.

[jtkratzer]

I'm done here, but you should know an editorial is not proof, anyone can find an opinion by a writer.

And anyone can take 5 minutes to do a google search to look up someone's voting record.

And which piece is op-ed? Or is this just another cop out?

You would be done here because I just proved you wrong, but instead of admitting as much, you just storm off pissed like a kid throwing a temper tantrum and crying over his shoulder on his way out, "I'm taking my ball and going home."

Just remember:
http://epguides.com/WeakestLink/cast.jpg

[jtkratzer]

Oh yeah, you might want to read this, it's the bio of the guy who wrote the first article, the one I quoted from the most:

Ken Herman, a native of Brooklyn, New York, began his journalism career in 1975 at the Lufkin Daily News in East Texas. In 1977, he joined The Associated Press in Dallas, moving to Harlingen, Texas in 1978 as AP correspondent along the U.S-Mexico border. Herman transferred to the AP's Austin Bureau in 1979.

In 1988, Herman became Austin Bureau Chief for The Houston Post. He became Capitol Bureau Chief for the Austin American-Statesman in 1995.

Herman has been covering George W. Bush since Bush's first gubernatorial campaign began in 1993. During the 2000 presidential campaign, Herman covered Bush's candidacy for Cox Newspapers and temporarily transferred to the Cox Washington Bureau in 2001 to cover the beginning of the Bush Administration. He returned to Austin to resume covering politics and state government for the American-Statesman in September 2001.

Herman covered the Bush re-election campaign for Cox Newspapers and transferred to the Washington Bureau's national staff in January 2005.

I'm pretty sure he'd have a good idea on what the differences are between Bush and McCain.



Should I continue?

[jkroner659]

And anyone can take 5 minutes to do a google search to look up someone's voting record.

And which piece is op-ed? Or is this just another cop out?

You would be done here because I just proved you wrong, but instead of admitting as much, you just storm off pissed like a kid throwing a temper tantrum and crying over his shoulder on his way out, "I'm taking my ball and going home."

Just remember:
http://epguides.com/WeakestLink/cast.jpg

:toofunny: too funny, thank you for posting ones man's opinion as "proof" and thinking you "won" maybe we can be done now:kickrock:.

[ksuchewie]

Where is McCain a liar? Jason, I'm getting sick and tired of you making claims about this person and that person without backing it up with anything. Not your own examples, not links, not articles, no videos, nothing.


All the videos & articles I've posted in the past few months have been deleted. So this is why you aren't seeing them. Because this forum is a McCain/Palin supporter, anything that points out how McCain is unfit is removed. It's not really worth out time to find and post proof when it is only to be removed.

[jtkratzer]

:toofunny: too funny, thank you for posting ones man's opinion as "proof" and thinking you "won" maybe we can be done now:kickrock:.

And where is the opinion piece? See, this is typical. I asked you about which piece is typical and provided you content about a White House correspondent who worked for Bush who wrote an article about where he and McCain differ. That's not an opinion piece when it's considering the voting records and stances they've taken along the way. This isn't a NY Times or Washington Post Op-Ed piece.

The reason I'm having so much fun with this is because you cannot answer a simple, direct, and straight forward question.

I specifically asked you which piece is op-ed. You can't answer me. You respond with laughing and arrogance acting like I'm too dumb to get it, but the fact is, you still haven't answered the question. Just like you wouldn't answer the question when I asked you to list the 90% of issues where McCain and Bush agree. Just like you can't answer the direct question about where did McCain lie.

You're just a typical person who likes to stir the pot without having any sense or ability to back up what you say.

You're just like the caller on a radio show I heard yesterday who tried to tell the host it was a lie that Bush got better grades than Kerry. The same caller who refused to believe Obama was not a Harvard professor. The same caller who insisted the election was stolen when Bush won, but couldn't name a single incident, person, or issue to clarify how the election was stolen. When the radio host pressed for answers, the caller said, "I'm not answering that." So he hung up. You're no different.

You make these wild comments about both candidates without backing them up because you're still pissed and probably sucking your thumb in the corner because Ron Paul didn't get the nomination and isn't going to be our next president.

If you can't back up what you're saying and you can't answer direct questions, do what you've been saying you've been doing or aren't doing all along, stop participating and debating.

[jkroner659]

Unless it's raw data, it's an opinion, data does not lie, people do. You get too much into this man, throwing insults and saying I am "just like" the person you heard on the radio, beleive what you want, if you don't agree with me, just don't respond to me, is that hard? Like KSUChewie said it's almost pointless, you guys always talk shit about Obama(not gonna argue there at all) but you never post any negitive comments about McCain, that tells us you guys are blinded by partisan politics. That's a major problem in this country imo, people pick sides and then ignore the negitive things about their side, where as the truth is in between.