McCain's Speech

[ksuchewie]

I was actually somewhat impressed by his speech last night. I don't fully believe him on his "change" from the Bush administration given his voting records with Bush, but finally he at least laid out some fundamentals of how and what he's going to do as president. He didn't rely on his POW/war history for his platform, and didn't shit talk Obama/Democrats.

[TcRoc]

Obama is already slamming him saying he didn't lay out how he was gonn'a change things,,the debates will be the highest of ratings in the history of them and I can't wait,,it will be interesting to say the least ,,,and I hate this f'ing keyboard I'm using ,,lol

[jkroner659]

I also don't think he is telling the truth when he says change is coming, it does not match his voting record(voted with Bush almost 90% of the time). I heard what he said, but I don't really beleive him. But if it's gotta be between him and Obama, McCain is the way to go...but you won't find me at the polls this time around...

[jtkratzer]

I also don't think he is telling the truth when he says change is coming, it does not match his voting record(voted with Bush almost 90% of the time). I heard what he said, but I don't really beleive him. But if it's gotta be between him and Obama, McCain is the way to go...but you won't find me at the polls this time around...

You guys are funny...he's had a 30+ year political career and he's voted with Bush 90% of the time for the last 8 years. Does 8 years corrupt and taint an entire political career?

I believe him when it comes to spending, earmarks, and pork barrel issues...that was the reason he voted against the Bush Tax Cuts, there were earmark spending bills in there he didn't agree with.

[Dash Riprock]

I also don't think he is telling the truth when he says change is coming, it does not match his voting record(voted with Bush almost 90% of the time). I heard what he said, but I don't really beleive him. But if it's gotta be between him and Obama, McCain is the way to go...but you won't find me at the polls this time around...

90% huh? Well, not everything Bush has done has been bad. I'd say most of what he's done has been good, including preserving our 2nd Amendment rights.

If you're going to continue regurgitating the "90%" the media keeps spewing out and if you're sure you disagree with that 90% voting record with Bush post what it is you disagree with. Otherwise you just sound like a misinformed liberal media parrot.

[SheNINE]

If you're going to continue regurgitating the "90%" the media keeps spewing out and if you're sure you disagree with that 90% voting record with Bush post what it is you disagree with. Otherwise you just sound like a misinformed liberal media parrot.


:whs0be:

Yup - I'd like to hear that too, 'cause he obviously knows something the rest of us suckers don't!

[jtkratzer]

90% huh? Well, not everything Bush has done has been bad. I'd say most of what he's done has been good, including preserving our 2nd Amendment rights.

If you're going to continue regurgitating the "90%" the media keeps spewing out and if you're sure you disagree with that 90% voting record with Bush post what it is you disagree with. Otherwise you just sound like a misinformed liberal media parrot.

:whs0be:

Yup - I'd like to hear that too, 'cause he obviously knows something the rest of us suckers don't!

I also have been asking for specifics on what he disagrees with McCain on and what the specific things are he disagrees with where Bush and McCain agree.

I'm also tired of hearing the cliche of "George Bush" this and "George Bush" that. I actually heard a guy last weekend, granted, he was wasted, but was blaming the entire fiasco of crude oil prices on George Bush alone, that it was singularly his fault.

The mortgage "crisis" the "disastrous" economy (even though it's actually be growing and moving forward in a positive way, slowly, but still positive for 2 or 3 quarters in a row now) are also George Bush's fault. He just keeps f*cking up everything according to the media and the parrot corps who simply repeat what they hear.

[Landor]

At least McCain has a record. What you see is what you get. Obama, what the hell has he done? Absolutely nothing.

Let me see should I vote for the proven leader or the clueless puppet.

Let me put it in a way we can all understand.

If they were both gun's, McCain would be a colt 1911 .45 acp that has served this country well.

Obama would be a Hi-Point. A lot of people swear by them but have no proof of their reliability.

Which one would you trust your life with?

[jkroner659]

Which one would you trust your life with?

Neither, I'll take a Beretta 96 G(Ron Paul):lol:, sorry, had too!

Oh and Dash/JT, are you saying the media is distorting the facts about his voting record? Kinda hard to get wrong either a ya or na...

[jkroner659]

All I am trying to say is that change does not seem to go with McCain vs. Bush, that said, I would rather see him in office than Obama without a doubt, but the bullshit is already flowing with "change is coming", sorry if you vote almost 90% with Bush, that is hardly change, that's all I am saying. Of course he is a war hero and went through hell for this country and deserves this chance more than most, but I only ever liked 1 guy this go around, and by now you guys know who that is:p. Also, let's not beat around the bush, you guys would want whoever the republican nominee would happen to be over almost any dem nominee right? Am I wrong about that? Alot of you liked Ron Paul, but now that he's not in it, McCain is the better choice(I agree) but he is not change in my eyes and I don't agree with him like I agreed with Ron Paul. I can't jump on the McCain wagon now just because I like him better than Obama.

[TcRoc]

I wouldn't say I wouldn't vote democrat,,it has nothing to do with party to me..to some yes,,I sure as hell ain't voting for no democrat this year ,,lol

[SheNINE]

....., but the bullshit is already flowing with "change is coming", sorry if you vote almost 90% with Bush, that is hardly change, that's all I am saying.


You haven't answered the question, Sweetcheeks! Tell us specifically what part of that 90% you disagree with.......

[jtkratzer]

All I am trying to say is that change does not seem to go with McCain vs. Bush, that said, I would rather see him in office than Obama without a doubt, but the bullshit is already flowing with "change is coming", sorry if you vote almost 90% with Bush, that is hardly change, that's all I am saying. Of course he is a war hero and went through hell for this country and deserves this chance more than most, but I only ever liked 1 guy this go around, and by now you guys know who that is:p. Also, let's not beat around the bush, you guys would want whoever the republican nominee would happen to be over almost any dem nominee right? Am I wrong about that? Alot of you liked Ron Paul, but now that he's not in it, McCain is the better choice(I agree) but he is not change in my eyes and I don't agree with him like I agreed with Ron Paul. I can't jump on the McCain wagon now just because I like him better than Obama.

Voting with Bush doesn't mean he can't bring change. It's not about the letters behind the name with me. I disagree with every single policy Obama is pushing. Every single one. So, naturally, McCain is my only other viable choice. You can't vote for anyone you want, but either way, it's going to be McCain or Obama, no one else.

If you put a democrat in front of me that wants to reduce the size of government, reduce spending, repeal our unconstitutional laws, protect our individual rights (all of them including the 2nd Amendment), lower taxes, and generally get out of my life while promoting national security, energy independence, maintain a strong military, and make sure the policies of the government aren't getting in the way of the economy and free market system, I'll vote for him/her.

However, the current run of Demos have been pushing for more government, more spending, more deficit, taking away my rights, not allowing us to use our own natural resources, against nuclear power, increased taxes, more interference in the market with subsidies and inconsistent tax breaks, reduced military, a whole host of polices that want to weaken our economy, way too many entitlement programs, and way too many attempts to centralize various industries.

You haven't answered the question, Sweetcheeks! Tell us specifically what part of that 90% you disagree with.......

Agreed. Man up and answer the question. Where are your specifics?

[TcRoc]

lol,,Jason you'd be better off fessing up and just saying you have no idea..blame it on the booze ..:lol:

[Avalanche3319]

McCain is the better choice(I agree) but he is not change in my eyes and I don't agree with him like I agreed with Ron Paul. I can't jump on the McCain wagon now just because I like him better than Obama.

You can cast a vote for McCain without jumping on his bandwagon. The next president is either going to be McCain or Obama, nothing we can do about that, but if you dont like either you can at least try to get the lesser of two evils elected. If everyone who feels the way you do doesnt vote we're going to end up with obama:shakehead:

[Dash Riprock]

exactly!!

[jtkratzer]

but the bullshit is already flowing with "change is coming", sorry if you vote almost 90% with Bush, that is hardly change, that's all I am saying.

I've been thinking about this statement a lot over the last couple days and I have a news flash for you. This hit me while I was smoking myself on the track tonight.

John McCain is a senator, in the legislative branch. How our government works is the legislative branch writes bills and they're sent to the president. He either signs them into law or vetoes them. So, John McCain doesn't vote supporting George Bush 90% of the time. It's George Bush signing/vetoing the bills John McCain votes for or against. So, really, it'd be some percentage of the time that George Bush agrees with John McCain.

:logic:


Seeing how you've failed to explain this 90% of the time that you say McCain has voted with George Bush, I'm assuming you're just repeating repeating what the media is out there screaming about.

[jkroner659]

lol,,Jason you'd be better off fessing up and just saying you have no idea..blame it on the booze ..:lol:

:lol:, I originally intended my short silence as a semi joke to appear clueless, and I was actually going down one by one of McCains faults(and lack of real change in my eyes), but honestly I don't care to discuss this anymore at this time, not in the mood to have a lively debate anymore, I am just having a hard time coming to the realization that one of these 2 are gonna make it and not...an unspoken figure:lol:, it might take a while for me to accept this, but eventually I will semi accept it:shakehead::p.

[jtkratzer]

:lol:, I originally intended my short silence as a semi joke to appear clueless, and I was actually going down one by one of McCains faults(and lack of real change in my eyes), but honestly I don't care to discuss this anymore at this time, not in the mood to have a lively debate anymore, I am just having a hard time coming to the realization that one of these 2 are gonna make it and not...an unspoken figure:lol:, it might take a while for me to accept this, but eventually I will semi accept it:shakehead::p.

We're hear if you need a shoulder to cry on. :lol:

[SheNINE]

Should I bake you some cookies?!?!? ;)

[jkroner659]

Hell ya:beavisnbutthead: