Gotta bitch

[Headhunter 13]

Long story but I may be out of work because our over paid salesmen can't sell!:hoppinmad:

[jkroner659]

Sorry to hear that but it sounds as if your not 100% sure so thats a good thing. If you feel it comming...could you talk to your boss and get a new sales person asap?

[Headhunter 13]

That ain't gonna happen. I was told pretty much today is my last day but they want to discuss having me as a Consultant on Retainer and pay my expenses. So we gotta see. Plus I spoke to a buddy at a large engineering fiorm who got his job on my recommendation and his role is nased on what I did here so they may have interest.

Thanks for the support and suggestion Jason. Now if you would start the Wayne is broke fund and send cash I would appreciate it and change my avatar:violin:

[jkroner659]

LOL I don't think so Wayne, I have not had a full time job in 4 months so if I start a fund it will be for the monkey:), I might have gotten a pretty good job this week I won't know till Friday, so hopefully my long part time deal is over so I can go back to full time...

[Headhunter 13]

good luck jason. Hope you get it.

[TcRoc]

Well that blows Wayne,,hope it works itself out..
Lets just open a gun shop,in my neck of the woods of coarse!!:)

[Cliff731]

Long story but I may be out of work because our over paid salesmen can't sell!:hoppinmad:

Wayne, I'm awfully sorry to hear about this development... but I can sure relate to "over paid salesmen"... who can't sell. :mad:

I once had a twelve year career with a company go down the drain because they paid their sales guys too much and never held them accountable. When the ship was taking on water, damage control consisted of blaming everyone else... and of course, pay cuts followed by layoffs followed by even worse.

Maybe you've been working for a bunch of assholes and just didn't realize such until this happened. :kickrock:

[Headhunter 13]

Thanks Cliff and yes there are some real flaming assholes there I see now (mainly the CEO and the company we partnered with as well as the VP of sales). But I must say my boss is ok. He is pushing to get me paid until thye end of September and also using me as a paid consultant and getting me a piece of some potential upcoming commissions. If they work out a gig for me consulting the stupid part is they could end up paying me more that ever before

[Toecutter1201]

Long story but I may be out of work because our over paid salesmen can't sell!:hoppinmad:


Just released the new salesman motivational aid................. affectionally called "the Hammer"


http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/toecutter1201/Political/item-ea6-sk2.jpg

tends to increase sales, instill fear into the hearts and minds of lazy salesmen and slow paying clients. get yours today and watch your income skyrocket!!:crossbones:

[Headhunter 13]

:logic:

[RiverFisher]

Wayne, good luck and I hope it works out. Disregard the PM that I sent you before reading this thread, you need to focus on your employment situation more than digging up a bit of info for me.
Anything I can do, let me know.
RF

[Dash Riprock]

Just released the new salesman motivational aid................. affectionally called "the Hammer"


http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/toecutter1201/Political/item-ea6-sk2.jpg

tends to increase sales, instill fear into the hearts and minds of lazy salesmen and slow paying clients. get yours today and watch your income skyrocket!!:crossbones:


T-Ball bats work much better... Nuthin' but sweet spot! :D

[Headhunter 13]

Thanks guys for the support and advice (?). They are putting together a severance package and should have the draft to me today. Intial proposal is paid till the end of September, 60+ hours of owed vacation time paid, some sort of commission/bonus based on tghe last two people I recruited for hirs at client sites. and here is the kicker they are talking about me being a consultant for them at a higher hourly rate plus fees for all hires temp or perm. Plus they will let me have the company laptop, and pay all fess ofr Monster.com and my on line database of resumes and I can recruit for otehr companies using the Monster.com. This could be a good thing. Waiting for terms and a formal proposal.

Plus the option to rehire me at a later date with a better package than I left with. Well we'll see what happens and what comes true

[Cliff731]

that's a very "sweetened" deal... sounds almost like their upper echelon cats may have simply wanted you on a consulting fee + commission basis rather than salary...

and nice avatar... still, I gotta ask...

where in hell is the damn gun??? :p

[CBnL]

That's a trend of companies anymore to reduce their long term financial obligations. Say good bye to retirement, health benefits... and social security payments... you only pay half now... employer pays the other half, when self employed you get to pay it all. Plus as a contractor... 0 advance notice on being let go followed by no unemployment. (oh, yea, if you want that you need to pay that uner the LLC you should really start to be your own contracting firm to limit your direct financial liabilities).
WTF has happened to this world ???

[Headhunter 13]

sounding that way to me but with a couple of extras that may work in my favor.

And what gun is it that you keep asking about?

Although look at a thread where my Avatar is above JK's or it also is that way on the members list. I get a kick out of it:kickrock:

[Headhunter 13]

That's a trend of companies anymore to reduce their long term financial obligations. Say good bye to retirement, health benefits... and social security payments... you only pay half now... employer pays the other half, when self employed you get to pay it all. Plus as a contractor... 0 advance notice on being let go followed by no unemployment. (oh, yea, if you want that you need to pay that uner the LLC you should really start to be your own contracting firm to limit your direct financial liabilities).
WTF has happened to this world ???


It looks like that is the route I will be going. So any insight or advice is greatly appreciated

[CBnL]

Actually my experience is working as a backup/recovery/disaster recovery specialist for Amoco oil until British Petroleum was allowed to buy them some 7 years ago. BP being an ~oil~ company didn't want computing specialists working for them (though it was really their computing systems that allow them to make all their money) but it isn't about that it is about pusing financial liability off on an outsourcing company. Well, the outsourcing firm can in and picked me up but let basically the rest of my team go... then had me build a new team through temp agencies (I'm guessing like the one you worked for) and geeee who were the qualified people in the local region??? the same folks just let go... so they came back in as contractors.
BUT what goes on here is if things F-up... BP sues my firm but my firm then sues the consulting firm since basically it would be their employees that were in direct control of things when they ~failed~. Now it is sounding like firms such as the one you use to work for is wanting to push that risk down another level so when they get sued, they can sue you as an independent contractor that placed the ~whoever~ that was working things when it went south.
This is all about bull $#!+ federal regulations such as SOX's, etc.... and the penalties imposed for non-compliance.
OH GOD, here I go again... nothing is about actually doing anything anymore (producing any good/s) but about lawsuits and pusing financial liability off on someone else.
F and you, and me, and my team have all seen the end results of this first hand.

Sorry... I just get a little tired working 60+ hour weeks, not getting any raises, having my guys reduced on a regular basis (both pay and quantity).
Its all cr@p, it is wide spread, the propaganda machine keeps pretending like it isn't happening (or if it is, is just isolated little pockets) and the masses are going right along with it.
My company is GLOBAL... you might say they are the global leaders in computing though I can't mention their name. It is their goal to eliminate virtually ALL US workers and fill their positions with off shore resources in India, China, Argentian, Brazil, etc... and believe me, they are doing a d@mn good job of it.

[max4073]

:pint:http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/610/beer1b9ece4bdn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us):pint:

[Headhunter 13]

Sorry... I just get a little tired working 60+ hour weeks, not getting any raises, having my guys reduced on a regular basis (both pay and quantity).
Its all cr@p, it is wide spread, the propaganda machine keeps pretending like it isn't happening (or if it is, is just isolated little pockets) and the masses are going right along with it.
My company is GLOBAL... you might say they are the global leaders in computing though I can't mention their name. It is their goal to eliminate virtually ALL US workers and fill their positions with off shore resources in India, China, Argentian, Brazil, etc... and believe me, they are doing a d@mn good job of it.

You are preaching to the choir. I headed up our Global staffing for a major internatiuonal Phrama that is doing about 80% of their IT with offshore and H1Contactors. Plus I was a Headhunter in the tech and engineering industries for 21 years

[Headhunter 13]

have an icy cold one for me Max

[jkroner659]

So Wayne this was supposed to be a depressing"losing job" kinda thread when in reality you got a promotion and a raise:poke::D

[Headhunter 13]

So Wayne this was supposed to be a depressing"losing job" kinda thread when in reality you got a promotion and a raise:poke::D\

No I am still out of work and in negotiation. I liked my job and it was fun. And I had the luxury of a guaranteed paycheck vs consultant (higher rate but lessregular) :p

[Sinatra877]

I know how things like that can come out of no where and just stomp on you. You aren't alone. I had an old Army injury kill my full time LEO career and I thought I was happy doing that.

Now I'm traveling the world every year, working 6-8 months out of the year, making big bucks and collecting my VA check too. Meeting new folks all the time, relaxing in places like Jordan or Dubai. Being 39 and having a 23 year old girlfriend isn't bad at all (Hey! It's legal in FL.). It all fits back together in mysterious ways. Embrace it and explore your options.

When the Good Lord closes a door on you, he maybe leaving a open window for you. You'll have to make it. You have no choice.

[Headhunter 13]

Not a bad life there Sinatra. But I did my world traveling (I have a PhD in cultural anthropology and was a Field anthropologist for 10 years) Loved it. When I got Divorced at 47 (8 years ago) dated for 3 years and most were excotic dancers at leats 20 years younger. Again loved it and lot of fun. but at 55 I am starting to like a more stabile and sedate lifestyle. Plus I got a good woman the is still younger than me. Enjoy my friends I do.

[Sinatra877]

Gee...I didn't know you were a Dr.

I envy anyman whom attains a real education. It's something they can never take away. All I have are a shitload of Army/LEO certificates from homocide investigation to firearms instruction.

So what? You're 55. You want a more stable life...so will I soon. Hell, I can't keep up with the kids in the field now. I'm called a dinosaur and my camelbak is looked at like a colostemy bag. Someone said if they slit my throat, they'd just see alot of dust come out and that I leave fossil marks on the toilet seat. So what? We're older, we're just more experienced and they're just jealous. Don't get me wrong but I've put a few dancers through nursing school too. I think we all have participated and donated to The School of Wayward Girls...Tee Hee. I might be old but I ain't blind.

So, resize your options. Select the best course of action. Wait for results. If that fails, try again. Like you have a choice. Go somewhere to study something you've always wanted to do, get a advisory job to the University and get a grant. The world is your oyster. Make some lemonade man!...I mean Doctor.

[Headhunter 13]

Love the attitude Sinatara. But I have never used the title my name is Wayne. And I am sure with your cert and experiences you have a better education than many in school. BTW you do know what the degree intial mean?

BS= Bull Shit
MS= More Shit and
PhD+ Piled Higher and Deeper

[jkroner659]

That's why I got an A.S.:D well A.A.S. to be specific.

[Headhunter 13]

That's why I got an A.S.:D well A.A.S. to be specific.


AS= All Shit
or
AAS= All Ape Shit

[Sinatra877]

OK..OK..but you went through numerous years of documented education, developed a hypothesis, a thesis and researched the origin of man, his culture and beliefs. YOU EARNED IT! Screw it...if you want, I'll take you with me so you can find out why the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds just hate each other and won't let go. No one else is really doing the research. I'm sure the gov't would love a doctoral thesis and give you a grant. I'd suggest Kosovo but it's gonna get cold soon even though I'm considering that location as a future retirement area and I'll introduce you to a gal I know...Anna or Aja depending on how you approach her. You'd have a ball. A lot of research still needs to be done there. From my friend in the Police Mentoring program, they've got literally thousands of unsolved homocides and mass graves are still being found. A treasure trove of information to dive into.

I'll admit it. I have a "formal" education. Not just from the school of hard knocks either.

I've got a Bachleor of Arts (BA = Bullshit in All) in History (really great if I'm caught up in a Trivial Pursuit Game...I'll have the yellow wedgie please)

and to top it all off I have a minor in International Relations & Political Science. I prefer shooting the rifle at them now rather thant yack about it. I have less of a headache later and the only thing I feel now is recoil and it is far less paperwork than policework. My GI Bill was totally wasted.

I was thinking about getting a Master's in Criminal Justice if I survive and see if I can taint the new recruits minds. I joined the Police where I could thump a drunk on a Saturday night without blinking and by the time I left, you had to document why you looked at someone very sternly. I am way too jaded for Police work now because I have a hypothesis Wayne...

There is no such thing as an innocent victim. If there are, it is rare.

Ask me why and I'll give you the jaded examples. An old Sergeant and good friend led me to think this way. Go ahead and ask...go ahead.

[Headhunter 13]

I often think at one time or another we are all victims of something, politics, family religion, society, circumstances, etc. BUT INNOCENT NEVER

[Sinatra877]

The Doctor has spoken.

I'm advocating examples like;

I get called to a clusterf*ck of a wifebeating call. As I'm cuffing the aggressor/beater (ususally the male), now the crazy caller/victim is on my back trying to stab me. Why the hell did you call me in the first place? Now she doesn't want to press charges and a history is called forward and she knew she hooked up with a wifebeater. Innocent?.....eh....na.

A young woman cries her eyes out as I cuff and stuff her in my car for common possession of meth and distribution (while noticing she's 100 lb. underweight from her Driver's License issued last year as she tries to "female" her way out of it through rotten teeth). OK...you knew he was a Meth user and he slung it before you lived with him and married him? Innocent?....eh....na.

This is the saddest. It's the 21st century and we all have to be careful out there right? Anyway, Grandma and little Joey is crying about his stolen bicycle that has a retail worth of $50 at Wal Mart. So did you lock it up everytime he used it? No? Where was it placed the last time he used it? He puts it out on the lawn all the time. OK...victimized yes. Innocent?....eh....na.

Finding a pedophile at work is a asswhooping in a discrete way. Teaching a kid that stealing is not right by scaring them with B.S. jailtime that their Parents agreed too...nipped it in the bud. That's satisfying. Reuniting a lost kid to his or her parents...that made a difference. Hearing folks as they grieve over a loved one that just died...sad but I'm the only shoulder for them to cry on. Sending a person to prison or at least thousands dollars of legal fees when they cause an accident with injuries or death as a result of driving while intoxicated Those are the things I did that made a difference too me.

I'm just done with the irresponsibilities of others...like I have better things to do like smoke a butt and get a doughnut. You just can't care anymore after years of dealing with redundant shit like that, ya' know?

[jkroner659]

Let me guess Sinatra...they all hate each other for various religious reasons. Don't need to write a thesis for that.

Ok, I'll ask. Were those student's at Virginia Tech not innocent victims:pat9xu:

[Sinatra877]

Those kids in Columbine, VA tech and so many other schools in our country have been victimized along with their friends, families and communities.

I feel very strongly that "kids"...18 or younger should not have a handgun until 21 but it should not have deterred the faculty, CRO's (Commuinity Resource Officers) from doing what they should have done which is to protect our most beloved treasures...our children, our legacy and future.
God help the next person I witness hurt a child or innocent person. I'm at the point of breakage. I'll kill them. I just know it. What are they gonna do to me before sentencing me to life or death? Bend my dog tags? Stamp my meal card "no desserts"?

In the grand sense of things I spoke too soon. They were victims of their collective gov't's inability to trust the law abiding citizen. The students that had CCW's could have made a great difference...more confusion but it would have spared 30-some lives.

BTW, I missed you man. I haven't seen you in a few days. I was trying to get on the Forum's chat room. I couldn't get on. Are you having any problems getting on?

[jkroner659]

About 2 days ago this forum had some type of problem, not sure what it was but it's back to normal. Ya I truly believe like Ted Nuget says, that the 2nd amendment is our concealed carry permit period. But our servant government is no longer a servant government so they make rules and regulations based on political correctness and just plain fucked up thinking.

There are good laws on the books, but there are just as many stupid ones as well. And not letting people carry in "gun free zones" is a fucked up law that needs to be rethought. I understand 100% about people being victims and not innocent. But there are both, it's just that leo's see so many people become victims because they were stupid and did not use an ounce of effort to prevent any such crimes. I missed you too man:Peace!::D

[CBnL]

JK, when you look at something and think "that's fucked up" don't wonder what nut would do that but pause and ask yourself who would benefit from that (either currently or down the road) and how they would benefit.
Where is the media hype when it is common place that the headlines reads: "Man shot dead, by CCW'er, when he attempted to go on a shooting spree at a local mall." ? There isn't any but by God when the headlines read: "13 innocent women and children gunned down at a Chucky Cheese Pizza Parlor, a place for family fun and food, by a crazed GUNMAN!" well, that pretty well gives ~the man~ the ability to SPIN that into "GUNS ARE BAD AND SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM PEOPLE. (heaven forbid we ever say anything like "some people are rabid just like dogs and should be put down when found to be in such a state".
It's all about spin, propaganda, and taking away your rights be they to own a gun or something else.

[jkroner659]

CBnl I agree the media spins shit out of control and ignores most of pro gun incidents. But that does not mean some of the new they report(like Virginia Tech for instance) did not happen. And any way you slice it students trying to get an education are innocent victims of killers.

Now if the schools allowed CCW'ers the right to defend themselves, then you could say they were just victims and not innocent victims since they were armed and ready and willing to protect themselves/others. I see the world kinda the way you see it by reading some of your posts, but not all news is spun, what I mean is, the meat and potatoes of the story are in fact true, it's just how they ignore pro gun shit that makes us pissed.

[RiverFisher]

Well, Dr. Headhunter13, er, Wayne, let us know how it turns out.
If they still want you as a consultant, it is exactly as has been described; they are trying to reduce their long term cost or immediate liability. Either way, they still value you as a contributor, otherwise they would just cut you loose and line up an established firm to take your place. Wow, look at that, I think I might be management material. It must be the week of meetings I just endured. I am so full of business speak that I could puke. Well, at the end of the day, when it is all boiled down, you need to know in your heart of hearts, that you bring value to the organization...aaaaaaaaaahhhh!!! I have to go, I'm having lunch with the Bobs. :p Anyone seen my stapler?

[Headhunter 13]

Thanks Rob. and as an update I am getting paid until the end of September (so that is 6 weeks salary plus over 60 hours vacation time) and we are still working out consulting and commission details

[Sinatra877]

If you need a PSD to go along somewhere...just let me know.